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    Posted: 08-February-2005 at 14:37

Hello,

As some of you are already aware, I am slowly and carefully venturing into the scary world of self-employment. #My go-live date is April.

What I need from you good-fellows are tips for sucessfully and economically marketing my new business.

I do not have a product to sell, my product is my time. I am an IT Engineer, I aim to specialise in emergency break fix situations and offer solutions.

Heres the tricky part. Its out-of hours support (not many offer this) - so the businesses Im aiming at are hotels, clubs, casinos, taxi firms, factories, haullage depots, car hire places, etc - basically anyone whos business works beyond 6pm.

I eventually aim to go to normal hours of work and get someone to carry on the out of hours stuff for me, but that is phase x somewhere else down the line.

Any ideas / comments from people in the know, especially those whove started there own business, irrespective of industry, all are welcome.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-February-2005 at 18:18

Hi,

A couple of tips/pointers/totally useless advice :)

I would suggest doing this via partnerships initially. i.e. via companies who offer these services in the markets you are looking at.  They always need emergency help for starters!!  There is always peak requirements which need filling, and if you are offering a solution/service to them, you can gain a few advantages.

1) You can pay the bills almost immediately whilst working on the master plan (whatever that may be, including bringing phase x closer!)

2) There is a large market for this, and you can fairly quickly bring others on board who want to work for themselves (and you), thereby bringing social working hours within reach

3) You can get all the right contacts in the right places if you want to start doing things directly.

4) Marketing is easier and cheaper because you are going to the few who already go to the many.

 

A couple of questions:

1) What solutions are you referring to?

2) Are you looking at a Limited Company for all this?

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PS - PM or email may be a better place to do this - I don't mind either which way :) Am glad to help if I can.  If you have already gone down this road, ignore me completely!!!

I am also a tadge busy at present, so some delays may be inevitable!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-February-2005 at 18:44

There are huge amounts that could be said about this and I'm happy to give you any advice I can but perhaps the best thing is just to feed off a few pointers.

What is said above is all relevant, but bear in mind that clients such as garages, taxi companies etc represent a higher debt risk too - they are notorious for it.

However, they key to successful consultancy isn't so much the amount of work you actually get, as the amount of assurance you sell to your client.

So - the biggest single asset to you is to get your client base on retention fees.

Hence - you propose a structure of support that covers the hours/days that you're able to provide it.  You then offer remote assistance as a form of support (dial-in or VPN) with appropriate security controls in place.

You then sell the retention fee to the client on the basis that you offer more than a fix service.  You'll advise, you'll offer telephone support and you'll do weekly or however frequent system checks - i.e. preventative maintenance.

Without wanting to go into too much detail and whilst it isn't my main occupation, I offer a similar service but to some large clients.  Basically they pay me an annual retention fee that guarantees my advice and knowledge when it is needed.   I advise them on things such as IT recruitment, IT purchasing, etc and act as an intermediary for any major purchasing decisions they are making. 

It didn't start like this though - it started offering something similar to yourself (although my client base was that of much bigger companies and I admit that helped a great deal - but you still have demonstrate your capability and ability to achieve the results they want).

The bonus?  They still pay if you attend site, or for anything beyond which the retention fee covers. 

With clients of the size you're talking about you need to set your fees carefully - and probably a monthly amount.  But you can sell it on the basis you are removing their IT worries.

It works very well for me but I have been doing it for many years and don't underestimate the value that professional qualification will bring (which you may well have for all I know).  I have previously qualified as an MCSE and MCSD, but still spend the vast majority of my spare time ensuring I am as up to speed as possible with the latest developments.  It might be different for you with the scope and scale of your client base (I don't envy dealing with them I must admit!) but if you approach it properly there is no reason for it not to work.

Just be wary and don't under price yourself.  There is a danger of wanting to get the first name on the books - but its no good to you if it isn't at the price you know you're worth.

I presume you've taken Consultants Liability insurance too - even if you are only fixing, you'll need it.  Don't, whatever you do, try to do the job without it.  I have known people think they won't need it and then bang...a fix goes wrong...a database goes up in smoke....the client sues.  Bankrupt.  Payouts on such incidents are usually frightening. 

If I can help any further, just drop me a PM.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-February-2005 at 18:49
Hi,

A really good place to start is with people you already know. This may sound obvious, but when I went solo many years ago, I was well-known in my business area and I was able to phone up people and say "I'm doing consulting now". Got a lot of work that way.

However, that tends to lead to a situation where you suddenly find one day that no-one needs help for a month, and then you're -- and that day can suddenly appear after several years!

Something that I wished I'd known about was some very simple marketing advice I found out after I lost everything because I wasn't building a business pipeline.

You will need someone to help you with this, though, because you need an on-going commitment to doing this not only to keep your existing customers, but also to bring you new ones. It's very hard to commit to doing your day's mailing and calling when you're knackered from the night before, or you're in the middle of an on-site crisis. So it would be good to have a wife/partner/contracted person/mother/whatever doing this for you.

It's very simple (in principle!): get a list of prospects, write them a letter describing your services, say you're going to call them on a certain date and time, and then do so. Within three months of doing this, send them another letter and then call them up again.

Eventually, they will think of you when something happens, and you will get business through your persistence. This is a numbers game, and initially, you will be lucky to get a single useful response. But as you get into the second and third cycle, you should get more. And the longer you keep it up, the more new business you should get.

Remember to touch base with historical clients once a quarter as well, even if it's just a brief "social" phone call. There is something about human memory and a span of three months that makes it important to refresh every so often.

I find that I now do this naturally with my historical clients, even though the benefit is more for my employer than for me.

Now, remember I said it was simple in principle? In practice, it's a horror story: you will struggle to get a decent prospect list, it will require many hours of tiresome research, contacts will leave, you will get the wrong information, you will have to develop a script unless you're fortunate enough to find someone who is also technically literate enough to answer questions, you will get hundreds of noes for each yes, etc., etc.

It can be very soul destroying for you if you are doing it yourself. It's far better outsourcing it to someone else. Someone very patient and strong-willed.

But if I was going into business for myself again, I'd make my first hire that marketing person.

Hope it helps, and good luck!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-February-2005 at 19:16

 

Well what can I say, the first three responses were better than I could ever have hoped for, especially considering they are on a generally off-topic forum such as a BMW one.

Thanks to FulliAuto, Coasting and Spokey for your valued input.

As Coasting has mentioned, my initial plan was to do this on a retainer basis, charging the client a small fee per month which would entitle them to a "escalated" response as per an agreed servicve level (SLA) if you like..... .i.e . "If you sign up to contractual support, I promise to be there within 4 hours, otherwise you have the option of normal support, for which priority will be determined by seriousness of the incident, and ultimately determined by us (me).

Also to expand on Spokeys point regarding somebody to take care of Marketing; I have a business partner who is providing premises and financial assistance (if required) for a small cut, he is someone I know and trust, and has had previous marketing experience. His remit will be the ongoing generation of new business, marketing, and service level management. In other words a CRM bloke, very client facing who makes sure the customer is always kept "live" and informed about our company.

Sorry If im droaning on, just got back from the pub, something that will soon be a not so regular priviledge.

Will probably be dropping you guys PM's in the next few days.

thanks again.. Adam.

Anyone else who can expand on the above .. .feel free.

 

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2005 at 06:34

I don't have any advice to offer but I will say one thing 

Whenever the going gets tough just remember 'no one ever got rich working for someone else'. It might be hard work but if you succeed there's no telling how far you could go.

I would love to set up my own business but at the moment time and commitments are not on my side. One day maybe.

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* insurance is #1 as already mentioned.
* I always considered getting a salesman to go out and drum up business but every time I thought of it I suddenly was overburdened with work that I forgot about it. However it is still something I will consider.
* use free advertising methods to advertise your business wherever you can - email signatures, website (get it online before the business goes live!), even a simple car sticker or something.
* contact all the businesses you deal with frequently and mention it to them.
* possibly target one type of business initially e.g. hotels and try to capture a lot of that market. The more you have of one, the more likely others may think you can help them.
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All of the above advice is spot on. I set up my business following redundancy. The early days are going to be the toughest as you have to build up a client base. Repeat business and referrals are how my business has grown. Key marketing strategies would be:-

- Networking existing contacts
- Networking through 'Business Link', free and I have found good.
- A cheap 'giveaway' gift, pen, calendar, ruler, you would be amazed how these sit around in people's offices.
- Yellow Pages. Strangely, in the early days (1992) not effective for us, but in the last 3 years a steady flow of enquiries.
- Sub-contract for larger companies.
- Target Public sector, always in a panic. Pay promptly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-February-2005 at 14:39

the guys above have mentioned everything i would have put foward..

one of the most important things to consider [but is often overlooked] is do i become a sole trader or a ltd company ...the buisness that you are in 100 % WARRENTS TO BE A LTD COMPANY .

you cash flow in such things as what you want to do will ..and could leave you in to what banks .call overtrading..because its a type of biusness that could and will roket .ie there wont be a steady increase in buisness.trading for 1 st 3 months then .as word gets about it rockets ..[well thats the plan ] then you have to start being a juggler with £££ ..but it keeps you on your toes.

being ltd  will leave you in a safe situation if it all goes wrong ....dont listen to anyone whos says its hard work being a ltd co....its not .its tax effeciant .and you can pay yourself directors loans ..loan the company any assets it may have as  a tax relief ..etc etc ..[pm me if you want to know more on tax issues ]

only stress being ltd      because i see so many ordinary good hard working peaple in taters if it went wrong .they lost cars houses marriages etc to the pressure they was in.my first biz was in the motor trade at the age of 19 ..i had ten guys working for me .and more dodgy motor trader taking me for my cash .then i care to rember however it was a good learning curve .and it put me in good stead for spotting the con man out there in my later years ..

and just rember        ...see your goal and its there pass or fail .you will never not know until you have tried it ......and dont listen to peaple who say it carnt be done .they are conditoned to and trained in there ways .to say no ...and they will only stop you

.just my 2 pennys worth     ..THE BEST OF LUCK TO YOU  i like to see peaple get on and improve what they have rather than sitting on a wall waiting for it to come to them  

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-February-2005 at 15:04

Cheers lads  this is all coming together nicely .. all the comments are spot on, totally what I was looking for..

Mr PMa as you have a few mins spare.. (I take it Mrs PMa is off making up another Ikea shopping list for you) .. Are you an accountant of some flavour?

I really like the idea of the Limited bit, more for my personal security rather than anything else, but also for the professionalism it will add.

But I don't expect to make much at all in the first year as I drum up business. And was wondering if returning four sets of accounts to companies house with not much business on them, would really be worth the bother ?? Or can I get an accountant to do all this for me?

BTW does anyone know how much I should be looking at paying for the services of a good accountant? The fees seem to vary anywhere between £350 and £700 for small businesses and I'm not at all sure what I should be getting for my money.

Oh and one more thing (sorry) "Leads Databases" or "Mailing Lists" ... does anyone know where I can buy information that is specific to my local area ... i.e a list of hoels with owners names that I could market directly .. I was thinking business link or chamber of commerce maybe? Do they offer this service or just send you elsewhere?

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Can't help you on local businesses but with regard to accountants there are two points:-
1. get some decent accounting software that will allow you to do a fair bit of work on the accounts yourself as this will reduce the accountant costs
2. an accountant should pay for themselves in the tax savings, etc. they calculate.
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Can't help you on local businesses but with regard to accountants there are two points:-
1. get some decent accounting software that will allow you to do a fair bit of work on the accounts yourself as this will reduce the accountant costs
2. an accountant should pay for themselves in the tax savings, etc. they calculate.

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thers no such thing as a free lunch .and if your acc man is taken you out for that nice [get together meal] expect to see it hidden in that invoice ...trust me i know ...i have had lunches with more acc wanting biz .than a whores draws goin up and down on a saturday night ..they both pro.and they extract the $$$ out of you ..and the bad part of it is .you mite [sometimes] need them more than you need you .well that how acc send you there message..make sure you the one doing the shafting

 

however there are good ones out there

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-February-2005 at 05:44
1. Accounting packages. critical to your business in many ways. Try and get one before you start. I use 'Quickbooks' by Intuit. The market leader is SAGE. Another that i have heard small businesses speak highly of is MYOB (mind your own business).

2. A good accounting firm is worth having. They have more credibility with IR and C&E so you are less likely to have your accouns 'inspected', though you will have a visit from C&E if you register for VAT (i recommend you do).

3. Mailing lists. YP can tailor make lists for you.
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Mailing Lists? What type do you mean? Surely you dont mean spam type mailing lists!!!
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Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

Mailing Lists? What type do you mean? Surely you dont mean spam type mailing lists!!!

Good grief no ... I just want a small database of names, addresses, tel. numbers of relevant people within the companies I am targetting so I can send them a little mailshot then follow it up a few days later to check wether or not they filed it under B1N, and if I could help them or not.

Spoke to Mr PMA (above) last night, was very helpful, he suggested the yellow pages as a cheap way of doing it and calling up to get the name of the relevant person.

 


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i'm thinking of becoming self-employed, same trade (im an i.t. engineer too), just part time to start with, in the near future.

what are your opinions of putting "feelers" out for clients you already go to through your work?

it's a risk because some sneaky person could tip off my employer about what i was doing (undercutting him in price and offering the same service), but could the benefits outweigh the risks?



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Stephen .. firstly what happened to the Curchill Dog? I might have him back if youve finished with him! 

Anyway, if I could do this, I reckon I would be subtly dropping it into the conversation with a select few. The ones I had a good relationship with directly (i.e better relationship than your employer has)

You will be in a better position to go-it on your own than I will, as all my clients are internal, and you will know which ones (clients) you want and which you don't.

After-all, we all suffer the un-pleasable numpties that ring up day after day with the most trivial of problems, good if you can charge for them, big waste of your valuable time if you cant.


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