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dryle
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it was it institute that got me, head not with all these tla's
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Dave Ryle
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Institute of Advanced Motorists
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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dryle
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what is the iam, forgiving my stoopidity
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i do agree it is about attitude. but today i had to get home as there had been an accident 1 yr old slid down the stairs 3 yr old left gate open and yer an just dived through it, she was hysterical and i had to get home quickly, i do go over the limit but when i notice i drop back. but today not a chance in hell was i slowing down when i could see, it was a case of if i got pp ok but my childs welfare was more important, it may seem like a lame excuse but when its your kids then you go into autopolit. |
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Nigel
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Don't get me started lol, we'll be onto Londonderry & Southern Ireland next No amount of new traffic laws are going to make much difference, its all about training & attitude. As my yanky mates often say, "stand back, take time to smell the flowers" |
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dryle
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is that mainland europe???? only taking the p
found this http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/highways/road_safety_traffic_m gmt/speed_limits.htm Do lower speed limits result in lower speeds? Not always. In Halstead speeds increased when we changed the limit from 40mph to 30mph. In Quorn vehicle speeds came down when we raised the speed limit from 30mph to 40mph. |
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Dave Ryle
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Nigel
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I can't really comment on the Garda's take on things, although there are Garda officers that are part of the forum who could. I have known occasions where the British police have pulled people for travelling slowly, doing 20 mph wouldn't be a good idea if your travelling on the M6 for instance. The speed limit, in British law, is just that, its a limit, it is not a target. I'm actually on your side in this "chat", but I do work in my own time for the IAM, I do from time to time get the chance to mix with the "other side" (safety cretins), and over the years I've gotten used to their counters to arguements like the ones posted on this thread. They are a very well organised and very powerful group on the mainland. Heres one to make you smile, there was a move a couple of years ago, over here, to increase the motorway speed limit from 70 mph, to 85 mph. It was defeated, but it wasn't defeated on safety grounds, the safety cretins knew they had no chance on safety grounds, as the motorways over here are the safest roads, and also the roads where the speed limit is most often broken, so they defeated it on envoiromental grounds, extra fuel useage and noise pollution. |
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hibernian insurance tried to bring that out a while ago for young driver to reduce premiums, they fitted a tracker and could tell if you went over the speed limit, dont know that if you went over for long periods and you insurance was cancelled or just premiums went up. |
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my wife was pulled a few years ago by the boys in blue for not keeping to the speed limit, speed limits are there to be adhered to by both keeping to it and staying within it. i also know a chap that was pulled for overtaking on a continuous white line and he argued that the car in front kept stopping/braking for no reason and he spoke with the garda and was let off with a caution as the garda in question agreed with him. i do agree that there is no need for excessive speeding and if you want to arrive early then leave earlier, but at times there may be unmitigating circumstances that require you to speed, as in getting to hospital and cant wait for an ambulance you call the police and they may give you an escort, i know this may not be a good example but all i can think of. Edited by dryle |
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They are on motorways over here too, and the need for accident statistics has been removed, they can put them anywhere they want. Your example of a sunday driver is typical of the arguement that plays straight into the safety cretins arms, although I know you don't intend it that way. The sunday driver doesn't have to drive at the speed limit, it is a limit, pure & simple, the max speed you may legally drive on that road if you've judged all the other factors allow it, if you missjudge any factors, you are yourself guilty of driving without due care & attention. If you cannot overtake this sunday driver without either exceeding the speed limit, or compromising safety, then the overtake isn't on, so as a responsible driver you'd be expected to stay put until such time as any overtake becomes a safe prospect. Impatience on your part, which either breaks the law, or compromises safety, makes you as bad, if not worse than the sunday driver. There may be many legimate reasons the car in front has chosen to travel at that speed, notwithstanding the obvious one that he/she just wants to. Driving is a team sport that many people with varying skill levels take part in, when you can mix with all these skill levels, safetly, your a good driver. |
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there is no logical reason against limiters/scameras however they should be placed in areas where accidents occur, over here they are on motorways whereas they should be on accident blackspots and we only ever have about 4 cameras over here with film in them so its russian roulette
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nigel, i am not condoning speeding but there are times when you may have to go over the speed limit as in a sunday driver dawdling along at 30mph in a 60 zone and there is a short time span to go past safely, so long as you read the road and take in all detail to ensure what you are doing is safe and not dangerous to others. |
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Nigel
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Your correct Dryle. We all know you are correct, but even given what you say, what reason can you give for wishing to exceed speed limits ? Without a legal reason for wishing to do this, what logical arguement can you give against limiters & scameras ? |
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dryle
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but i read in the sunday time last year, the chief constable in charge of trafic in central england quoted that speed is not the problem it is people not reading the road and taking in the environment before overtaking.
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Dave Ryle
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Nigel
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I can't think of a case where it would be necessary, but I'm sure you'll come up with something where anothers driving has forced you to do so. Breaking a speed limit is an "absolute" offence, just breaking it makes the offence complete, there is no requirement to show danger. You'll find these limiters as difficult to argue against as scameras. Its always easy to be wise after events have already happened, but if drivers had shown more restraint in the past, and we weren't killing something like 10 people a week on our roads, then perhaps we wouldn't find ourselves in this position. |
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I think we both agree that speed-limiting devices on ALL vehicles are stupid and dangerous
and to break the speed-limit is also stupid, but not always dangerous - and also necessary in some cases.
but of course it can never be condoned |
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In which case Simon, the overtake isn't on. Speed limits are simple, they are simply that, a limit, to exceed this limit you need an exemption, which you can never have, you can at best only have mitigation. I'm not going to be two faced and say I never exceed a posted speed limit, but I do so in the full knowledge of what I'm doing. To put forward arguements against limiting devices that involve breaking a posted speed limit are absolutely pointless, & play straight into the hands of the cretins that want these limiters in the first place. |
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hmmm, not wanting to drag up old IAM threads (but I will if I must ) I'm sure I read somewhere about an 'advanced' drive where the limits were not exactly ignored, but the driver was advised to drive "reasonably quickly"? Are you saying then that if some-one is doing 60mph by their speedo, which we all know over-read, so in reality is probably more like 54-55mph, some-one should only overtake them at a true 60mph? Sounds like an awful long time to be on the wrong - i.e. Dangerous - side of the road to me Edited by thepits |
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Absolutely correct old pitsy poo's
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which suggests that overtaking is only 'on' if it doesn't involve breaking the speed limit
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