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whiterider
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Topic: Whats the world coming to? Posted: 08-February-2005 at 18:24 |
Great for rolling barbys too, though if they say it's not meant to burn I want to see the one that does.....
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stephenperry
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Posted: 08-February-2005 at 18:14 |
yeah, and if you're running late in the morning and miss breakfast just take a couple of slices of loaf out to the car with you, instant toast!
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Coasting
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Posted: 08-February-2005 at 18:00 |
Fantastic!
I want one, no two!
Think how easy it would be to de-ice the drive on a morning...
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stephenperry
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Posted: 08-February-2005 at 17:56 |
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Coasting
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Posted: 08-February-2005 at 17:40 |
Wendy
A flamethrower.......?
Sounds like the sidepipes from an original Dodge Viper to me!
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whiterider
Really Senior Member I
Joined: 03-December-2004
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Posted: 08-February-2005 at 17:34 |
Prefer hole in celing to hole in head, the SA's don't mess around!
Saw an ad for an SA car alarm once, when triggered a flamethrower fired down and out from both sills for the full lentgh. Impressive! Wendy
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Coasting
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Posted: 08-February-2005 at 02:44 |
Shame about the hole in the ceiling mind you...
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Rhys
Moderator Group
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Posted: 07-February-2005 at 19:32 |
Heres one for you, in South Africa if you shoot someone you then drag them into your house and fire a shot into the ceiling. Coppers pay a visit, you tell them it was a warning shot, but didnt work so you shot the intruder. Hey presto you are in the clear and the local bobbies are happy. (think it only works over there though as most poeple have guns, and if they draw them, they have a definite intention of useing them)
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Coasting
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Posted: 07-February-2005 at 07:35 |
Peter Fenwick wrote:
...what all the fuss about this is for. I've always understood the situation. I think the confusion was started by politicians looking to score points and the media looking for sensationalism. |
Nail. Head. Hit.
Election on its way, we'll do this, you can do that....a load of spin basically.
Fact is, if you want to hit a burglar with ANYTHING if he lunges for you - you'll never go to prison. You can shoot him too - if you're unable to see if he is armed when coming at you...
But best not to do it when he is running away from you and you know he is unarmed....
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 07-February-2005 at 05:02 |
Coasting wrote:
Stephen
Tony Martin would still have been jailed. The law still takes into account the threat posed to the individual by the "intruder" or "orginating offender".
Mr Martins' case has been used in many white papers prior to any changes and he would still have gone to prison - the reason being that he chased, and shot in the back, an unarmed and retreating intruder. His intention, given in statements to the police, was to kill the intruder, regardless.
These aren't changes in law either - they're merely the re-emphasis of guidelines.
If the intruder had been, say, running at Mr Martin (armed or not as it happens) then it would have been a different outcome altogether.
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Exactly, the line between reasonable and unreasonable is when it stops being acting out of fear and becomes revenge
Tony Martin was in the second camp.
I don't know what all the fuss about this is for. I've always understood the situation. I think the confusion was started by politicians looking to score points and the media looking for sensationalism.
If politicians/news papers tell us that if a burgler breaks in we will be sued or sent to prison if we try to defend ourselves the people believe them even if it isn't true.
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Coasting
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Posted: 06-February-2005 at 19:29 |
Stephen
Tony Martin would still have been jailed. The law still takes into account the threat posed to the individual by the "intruder" or "orginating offender".
Mr Martins' case has been used in many white papers prior to any changes and he would still have gone to prison - the reason being that he chased, and shot in the back, an unarmed and retreating intruder. His intention, given in statements to the police, was to kill the intruder, regardless.
These aren't changes in law either - they're merely the re-emphasis of guidelines.
If the intruder had been, say, running at Mr Martin (armed or not as it happens) then it would have been a different outcome altogether.
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stephenperry
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Posted: 06-February-2005 at 19:19 |
at least this clarification of the law should make the ratbags think twice before ransacking someones house or mugging a poor old lady, lest they get a perfectly legal and justified "cap in their ass" - you step outside the law, you face the consequences, and don't expect the pigs or the beak to be on your side.
if carlsberg made laws.... lol
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stephenperry
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Posted: 06-February-2005 at 19:13 |
Peter Fenwick wrote:
Only if lethal force constititues reasonable force. Also it not true to say that 'you can now use' either since this has always been the case. |
thats interesting, Tony Martin wouldn't have been banged up for shooting a scumbag if that was the case
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rubberknees50
Really Senior Member II
Does it have chrome bumpers?
Joined: 26-July-2004
Location: Telford, Shropshire
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Posted: 06-February-2005 at 19:05 |
We'll all get a chance at the general elections, not many people still seem to have any faith in Blair's promises, only problem opposition - all parties - seem to be to be disorganised and virtually unknown on the streets. From what US penpals tell me that was mostly why Bush got back in, lack of credible opposition. IanT
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IanT
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stephenperry
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Posted: 04-February-2005 at 19:30 |
indeed. george dubya wont be happy until he's stamped a big "property of USA" mark everywhere. like our government, he has no effective opposition since the "ruskies" (the 'might' of which was grossly overestimated by the west in the name of propaganda, sounds familiar...)
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rubberknees50
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Does it have chrome bumpers?
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Posted: 04-February-2005 at 18:20 |
Can I refer you all to the topic about windscreen wash fluid, think I'll buy a super soaker and a few gallons of BMW windscreen wash......"But officer, I was on my way to wash my windscreen when he attacked me with a lighted cigarette" (sorry Nigel) Can but hope for a "result" come election time, maybe talk about starting another war with Iran and smear campaigns will tip the balance. Having talked to several NHS footsoldiers don't think he'll be getting their vote and I doubt if muslim community will either! IanT
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IanT
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stephenperry
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Posted: 02-February-2005 at 17:37 |
they used an example of putting a robber in a pit, dousing them in petrol and setting them on fire...
well, maybe that seemed "reasonable" to the victim at the time
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stephenperry
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Posted: 02-February-2005 at 17:35 |
if you want to murder someone, just invite them into your house, kill them and then just make up some cock and bull story to the police how that they were trying to rob you and you feared for your life
notice how guns and knives were mentioned.. i thought people were banned from keeping handguns after Hungerford/Dunblane etc. ?
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Rhys
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Posted: 02-February-2005 at 17:22 |
..well your honour, this 'chav' was trying to nick my front bumper, and in the heat of the moment he threw himself under my car. I thought I must have run over him, but wasn't sure - so I reversed just to be certain.
..only joking of course
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 02-February-2005 at 12:20 |
Nigel wrote:
OR...its coming up to an election and grinning git is a bit worried ! |
LOL...Cynic!
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