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    Posted: 18-January-2006 at 12:17
Word of warning - don't put Eagle F1s on an M5, they're much too soft for such a big powerful car- it's like driving around with 5psi of air pressure. I agree that there's no point in splashing out for the big name tyres (once others are properly rated) as the difference is marginal and the likes of pirelli rossos will be worn (at least the rears) in no time.

The vanos is effectively a mechanical gear which continuously adjusts camshaft timing and very rarely (if ever) goes wrong, rather the vanos solenoids, or more precisely the vanos solenoid oil seals that cause the noisy rattle on startup. Main dealers just replace the whole unit on both banks and that's why it costs so much.

Camshaft position sensors (4no.) give up the ghost around 70kmls and mass air flow meters (2no.) shortly afterwards, other than this I've had no mechanical problems after 120,000 miles on a y2k and I've trashed mine within an inch of its life every day for the past 3years.

You really need the Stoptech BBK on the front as it helps carry so much extra speed (and confidence) into corners without oem's fade and front/rear bias problems of other brake setups. I've driven loads of other cars and few are as well rounded and composed one minute, before absolutely obliterating an Sti from 70-140mph at the drop of a hat the next.

Forget the E60M5, if it had the dinan S3's supercharger conversion (at a cool $70k) this car would be perfect, although fuel consumption and tyre wear would go up exponentially
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-January-2006 at 08:25
Originally posted by stephenperry stephenperry wrote:

here's one in an unusual colour

Let's hope that only one of those was ever made...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-January-2006 at 06:57

Have been running a Dec '01 now for 18 months, for 25,000 miles, the only faults have been a blower motor pack , £50.00 and the rear anti roll bar brackets - £2 ish !!. Occasionally the check engine lamp comes on and reports a dodgy lambda sensor, about every 2 months.

Hard driving does result on about 1litre of oil / 1200 miles or so.

Compared to most Italian and British super saloons it's positively peanuts to run ! 

I get around 18 mpg in town , 25ish on the motorway, driving like my gran.

As I run a business servicing these cars , repairs for me are parts costs only.

If advising on buying one, I would definately go for a Sep '01 build or later car, as all the engine and Vanos mods were implemented at build by then, as well as getting things like revised steering wheel, auto headlamps and other gadgets as standard.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 08:41
Originally posted by Rags Rags wrote:

...I want an M5...(but am a bit scared)


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You're not bored of the Mazda already are you?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 08:39

Aaahh, the speed rating. You'll find that most cheap tyres aren't rated 'fast' enough for the M5.

The cheap-o's I've got atm are rated to 170mph.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 08:21
Originally posted by ///Mister_G ///Mister_G wrote:

Originally posted by stephenperry stephenperry wrote:

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Tyres - £100 per corner

Don't believe all you read and do some experimenting yourself

i've had lots of makes of tyre over the years on various cars from cheap to dear (verdstein; pirelli; continental; naankang; marshall; federal; yokohama; michelin; bridgestone; avon...)

pirelli p-zero's were no more impressive than the avon zz1's, naankangs have a very hard wearing compound but can be lethal in the wet; yokohamas are overrated - very soft compound and rapid wear; continentals, for the slogan being "the rain tyre" i found wet weather performance nothing exceptional

the sierras on 15" naankangs at the moment.... so im not averse to cheap tyres - just wouldn't want to put them on a 160+ mph rwd motor car... just my opinion of course



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 06:16

It's a perpective thing I think Peter.

If this is anyone's first experience of 'super'cars (I think it's fair to call it that, perpective again) they'll probably be slightly shocked at the costs.

To move to an M5 from something as fast (but possibly a touch more exotic) would leave you pleasantly surprised, I'd imagine

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 06:08
Interesting comments on running cost, especially as EVO magazine have said on more than one occasion how reasonable running costs are.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 06:03
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Originally posted by ///Mister_G ///Mister_G wrote:

Tyres - £100 per corner

maybe for cheap korean brands...decent rubber costs much more than that!!

you don't put cheap tyres on a car like an m5

Sounds like some brand snobbery going on.

I used to think in a similar way until I was offered a trial of some dubious brand tyres (for free but retails at well under £80 per conrner on my m3).

The pilot sports which were on it previously caught me out a couple of times due to their breakaway, these ones track better, are quieter, are far more stable in the wet and were fitted by a local motorsport racing tyre company. Wear is to be seen, but everything else has impressed greatly so far.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 04:04
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SeeSure - you must have one of those Guardian Angels from the Polo advert!  Brave man to run such a car without warranty coverage.

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In June 2004 I paid £22.5k for a Jan 2001 car with only 29k miles, it was £10-12k+ under trade price, well worth the risk. Smiled all the way to the bank. Seller needed the cash.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 03:02

SeeSure - you must have one of those Guardian Angels from the Polo advert!  Brave man to run such a car without warranty coverage.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-January-2006 at 18:06

19 months ownership and no warranty !!

Have put 42k miles on it that time, just changed the tyres last set did 37k miles at the rear and the fronts I have no idea as they were already on the car. All 4 were £613 fitted, Dunlop SP 9000. (245/40/18 front 275/35/18 rear)

I use an Indy who charges about £130 for Oil Service and £180 for Insp 1 and Insp 2 was about £400. Service Intervals are roughly about 16k miles.

Litre of oil last about 2500 miles. But have heard of others using a litre in less than a 1000.

I changed the discs and pads all round when I first got the car for £500.

Fuel consumption is running at 23.5 mpg and that is based on an average speed of 48.6mph.

Horror stories abound but as yet I've been lucky, nothing that justifies the price of the warranty especially as it's due to go up big time.

Insurance is'nt too bad £732 (14 months) fully comp for business use.

There are quite a few around at the moment at great prices, test drive a few and then let your heart decide

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-January-2006 at 17:51
Originally posted by ///Mister_G ///Mister_G wrote:

Tyres - £100 per corner

maybe for cheap korean brands...decent rubber costs much more than that!!

e.g. the previous owner of my car (which uses the same profile of tyres as the m5 - 235/40/18 front 265/35/18 rear) shelled out over £700 for a set of Michelin Pilot Sports

you don't put cheap tyres on a car like an m5

i've just checked the price at kwik-fit... front £418/pair & rear £486/pair



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-January-2006 at 17:44

I bought my 99 model e39 M5 in 08/02 with about 30k on the clock.  It's now on 98k through daily use and I still love it.

Basic numbers:
Average consumption is 20mpg
Servicing numbers above are about right
Insurance £680 fully comp (44 full NCB, low risk area, every advanced driving discount going, tracker)
Front tyres £280/pair, Rear tyres £350/pair
Bad oil habit (drinks a litre/1k, dealer says that's "normal")

It's not had anything really serious go wrong although it's recently had various new sensors, aircon belt and front disks (it's first).  

I suspect that few M5s have such a hard life as mine since I really have done 65k in 3.5 years in all weathers on all roads.  It stands up to this use extremely well and the only failure was a result of a tyre valve failure and the lack of a spare tyre.  Otherwise it's been fantastic and I intend to keep it for a while..... until I can afford an e60 M5.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-January-2006 at 03:30

I think foxworth has the point though.  You have to compare it against something like a 612 Saglietti or a mase Quattroporte if you want a fair comparison in terms of what is on offer, and they are terrifying cars to run.

There's always the old man's Mercedes AMG.  It has the power and the badge, but in my personal opinion anything with a three pointed star younger than about 10 years is a PoS.

I looked at an M5 fairly seriously a while back, but I came to the conclusion I would resent spending what it would take to run it properly, and backed off. I would say the only person who could reasonably buy one without a warranty is someone who owns a dealership!

One hell of a car though.

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Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

What's wrong these days?
BMW's flagship engine needs 5 Liter, 32 Valves, 4 Vanos units (which seem to fail?????) and god knows wahtelse to put out 400bhp and demanding huge service bills.

Than look a Waynes US V8. half the valves, ONE cam, pushrods, slightly less bhp(which can be rectified for not much money!),NO fancy Vanos and the bl***dy thing doesn't even need a service!!!
And if you need to rebuild an engine you can't stop grinning reading the price list for the parts. 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-January-2006 at 10:33

i had an e39 for 2 years - had quite a few things go wrong and without the warranty i would estimate it would've cost me £10k or so in the two years to do all the bits they did for free.

Its a truly great car though, very finely balanced, never wanting for power (even at silverstone!) and when coupled with a good exhaust system is possibly the best sounding engine BM has made for the road. (see july 2005 BMW car, my car was featured)

The brakes are ok for the road if youre a 'normal' m5 driver. If you like to reach the upper ends of the performance the brakes can suffer on repeated hard stops. Track day on standard brakes is tough unless youre and excellent driver and can carry silly speeds through corners. I opted for some Stoptech 4 pots on the front with two sets of pads to switch between, and they were much better.

i sold mine 3mths ago, and although i miss it, it was a pricey hobby - but then when you have the engine & performance specs that this car has, and you compare it with similar supercars, the costs aren't too outrageous.

Servicing at BMW was reasonably priced (supply own oil ;o))

Standard tyres used to cost me £125 for front and £150 for rear if you shop about.

Any other questions im happy to answer, just ensure you buy one with a BM or aftermarket warranty to ensure u dont tiptoe the whole time!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-January-2006 at 10:31
I bought an 01/00 E39 M5 in November last year. As a guide:

MPG - I've never bettered 25.9 on a motorway run (75-80 MPH). You can go out for a nice run around some A/B roads and go fast enough to put a smile on your face and get 20. I live 1 mile from my daily commute train station and in that mile it does 8 MPG. Needless to say I now walk...

VANOS - I didn't realise it at the time, but mine is in need of a repair. It had some repairs on it 8,000 miles ago at a cost of £2,850 and something minor(ish) is wrong with it now. I would think you could expect some trouble with it during your ownership.

Oil consumption - Mine does use oil, even though the guy I bought it from said it didn't. No problems, though. Apparently cars manufactured after 03/00 didn't suffer so much of this.

Tyres - 245s on the front and 275s on the rear. Always buy from an independent.

Air metering - Mine suddenly detected a problem and shut half the engine down. The BMW techie put it down as a one off and it hasn't happened since.

If I were you, DO NOT under ANY circumstances buy one without a BMW warranty. You'll most likely end up regretting it and it costs £975 a year, at the moment. You do need to take it to a BMW dealer to get serviced, though. Insurance for me (33, no points, two claims in last 5 years) is just over £1,000.

But, what a car!!!! Awesome amounts of power and torque. Running costs are high, but for a car of that performance you're not going to get it for nothing.

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Originally posted by Fushion Julz Fushion Julz wrote:



And you forgot the weight factor...The US motor weighs about the same as an S14 4cyl BMW plant!


That's not confirmed yet as far as I know.
Can you give some RELIABLE figures?
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