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Ben O Brien
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-August-2004 Location: Limerick,Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1205 |
Topic: Speed check question Posted: 11-May-2006 at 06:35 |
Bein honest i wasnt going for the 525 or any e34/bmw when i was getting insured, i have an astra van 1.7DI which i brought in from the uk and to get insurance was costing me over 3k so for talks sake i got a quote on a 520 under my mothers name and it turned out to be 3400, sod the astra me thinks!! Bought a 90 520i to get insured on when the 94 525td came up for sale from a friend of my dads and i knew it was mint/uk import fbmwsh etc so i bought it, insurance is currently 3200 under my mothers name as believe it or not at 115bhp its cheaper to insure than a 518i or 520i m20, Also it wasnt necessarily the bmw at 17 image or whatever that made me choose, one of the main things is the safety and since driving last july (the day after my 17th birthday-trust me it was crossing out the days on the calender stuff!!? I have noticed the amount of idiots taking chances on the roads is phenomenal and im glad i have an e34 around me and its worth the sacrifice of no cash to have one. Nice choice with the landcruiser and the patrol, we've got two landcruisers one 00 passenger and a 01 commercial, great jeep, truly addictive! Hope to aspire after college to a patrol/cruiser commercial for work and a nice 530d sport or at that stage a 535d sport for the weekends! |
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flyingalexf68
Really Senior Member II Joined: 01-April-2006 Location: 53°19’59,6°14’56 Status: Offline Points: 2581 |
Posted: 11-May-2006 at 06:06 |
Yea, nice one Ben. I started as a named driver in a 1986 Nissan Patrol then onto a yellow Kangoo van (I know), then a Silver (thank god) Partner van, then a 1.9 JTD Doblo van with 100 brake (seriously fast, take on anything at the lights and win) then a Brava (piece of sh1t) on my own policy, then a 1.2 Stilo, (great car but needed an engine) then a '00 Landcruiser, then onto my Patrol. The Z3 is technically hers but we share cars. She started as a named driver on the Landcruiser, then her own '98 Fiesta (great car, actually miss it) and now her Z3. Kids of today have it all. By the way how much is your insurance on the 525? Edited by flyingalexf68 |
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Mick525i
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Posted: 11-May-2006 at 03:53 |
Big car for a young dude.... Nice one. Mick |
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Ben O Brien
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-August-2004 Location: Limerick,Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1205 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 18:50 |
just getting back to the talk of 17 yr old drivers, as a 17 yr old driver i could not agree more that extra tuition and tests/courses for younger drivers are an excellent idea. i like others have been able to drive since 12 and for a 17 yr old i think i can drive pretty well and safely but there are some others, some of my friends even who shouldnt be let within an ass's roar of a car. This system of theory test and hop straight into a civic/saxo etc is ridiculous, we need some sort of practical test too it would seriously cut down on carnage involving young drivers. i am totally on for an IAM day if you are going ahead Fey? Am seriously interested in getting a speed gun detector/jammer/whatever the hell as in my mind driving at 5 or 10mph over the limit on a dual carriageway is not exactly daredevil style driving and i do fancy holding on to my licence a little while longer-ive been waiting 17 years for it!! |
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digweed
Bavarian-Board Contributor I’m SOOO cut out for world domination!!! Joined: 21-February-2005 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 504 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 16:42 |
maybe, i'm only going on what i've been told, where would the sensor be? normally the no. plate has to be hit as its a vertical plane to rebound the laser, and its very accurate in firing the laser, one car can be picked from a line if there is enough of the no. plate or light visible. i know there is one in the states i think that floods the area with infra red light when it detects the laser. D. |
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Kin Mak
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 09-April-2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1691 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 15:59 |
Diffusers/jammers will give an error code on the gun used until the
signal is turned off. Usually a preset time is given. Lets say once the
device detects laser, it will sound a beep in the car and then after 5
seconds it will turn itself off so the gun can get a reading, by that
time you should have heard the beep and slowed down to the speed limit.
Not that I will ever use one... |
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Emmet323
Advanced Newbie Joined: 20-April-2006 Location: Balbriggan Status: Offline Points: 23 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 14:50 |
Have a read through some of the links i posted, some very good results from jammers which allow you time to slow down before switching off and permiting the guard to get a reading. Having spent some time with google the blinder units in particular come in for some kudos.
Anyone heard of someone stopped with a 'conventional' dash etc detector and plods reaction? |
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digweed
Bavarian-Board Contributor I’m SOOO cut out for world domination!!! Joined: 21-February-2005 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 504 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 13:57 |
there are no more radar guns in operation, all laser. the thing about the scanners or jammers is that the laser gun only needs .4 of a second to get a reading, if you're hammering along even 20k over the limit you are not going to be able to slow enough in that length of time.
D. |
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Emmet323
Advanced Newbie Joined: 20-April-2006 Location: Balbriggan Status: Offline Points: 23 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 10:58 |
Couldn't agree more, particularly about entrapment and lack of driver observation.
There's plenty of legislation out there it's just not being enforced, and sorry but 100% of the speeding 'enforcement' i see is as Ken rightly points out pure entrapment and serves no contribution to lowering road deaths. I've often thought about hooking up front and rear cameras in my own car, daily i see nutters driving around blissfully unaware that there are other cars surrounding them and/or they have indicators and/or indicators are not an automatic right of way etc. etc... (Thanks Kbannon for the confirmation on the guns, was my better half actually and when she got to work a few people were complaining about it at least one of whom had seen him pull a jeep over). Btw i know the jammers etc. are illegal but does anyone know how enforced this is? |
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KenM
Senior Member II Joined: 04-April-2006 Location: Lucan Status: Offline Points: 166 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 10:15 |
Have to say this has turned into a juicy thread.... to throw in my two cents. Does speed contribute to road death... yes. Naturally... If cars were not moving they wouldn't kill people! Personally I believe there is WHOLE LOT MORE PROBLEMS on the roads other than people doing 5 or 10 miles over the speed limit. I drive a motor bike in and out of the city centre every day of the week. To be honest I've lost count of the amount of times I've nearly been taken out of it. People pulling out without looking, changing lanes without looking, the last 4 technique for red lights, making u-turns without looking, making a jump for an illegal right turn, etc. etc. The list goes on and one.... the main problem I feel is observation BIG TIME. There are six times more fatalities off motor bikes than cars and I've seen plenty of crashes where motor bikes have been TAKEN OUT OF IT! by drivers not looking where they are going. The main flaw with speed limits is they are designed for worst possible conditions when being factored. Is 70mph on the M50 during rushhour safe.... with the way people live on each others bumpers in Ireland HELL NO!!! Is 70 or 80 safe on the M50 on a dry sunny day with very few other cars on the road... YES. You also have to factor in the car itself.... if you're doing 80 mph in a 1980 Fiesta on the M50 at rush hour.... first of all CONGRATULATIONS!!! for getting it to 80 but start saying hail mary's if anything happens. If you've doing 80 on an open road in a performance car you will easily reduce speed, change lane, speed up etc. with little fear of losing control of the car. I disagree strongly with the way speed limits are policed in Ireland. There are far too many black spots where people aren't checked. I've actually seen a three car pile up on the N4 on a Sunday afternoon because of a speed van. Sitting on a straight stretch of road, 2 lanes and a hard shoulder!! Would that accident have happened if it wasn't there..... definitely not. I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen speed checks at the end of the quays at Guinness' and slightly further out heading up towards the junction at the end of the Con Colbert Road... the little layby in on the left. The van always parks right in behind the wall..... This is pure entrapment... rather than the Gardai getting down onto the quays to help the traffic move they wait till people can actually get going and do them for 35mph in a 30 or something crazy like that... thats as fast as you are going to be going there. All I can say is thank God motor bikes don't have reg plates on the front.... I've gone past that van a few times over the years. To be honest I would love if the Gardai installed cameras on motor cyclists helmets... the amount of people you would see breaking lights, sitting on the phone in traffic, texting in traffic, changing lanes without looking, etc. Clamping down on THAT would make a difference not doing people for being 5 mph over the limit in a 30 zone where there is nobody else on the road..... A long winded rant but I've got it off my chest.... probably is a troll but at least I have my point of view aired. |
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flyingalexf68
Really Senior Member II Joined: 01-April-2006 Location: 53°19’59,6°14’56 Status: Offline Points: 2581 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 10:05 |
Sounds good Fey. The only thing for me is getting time as I work 7 days a week. I'd try to get time off if I had enough notice. They might do a BMW discount if a few of us did it. Try your luck and see what they will do. We could take bets to see who can pass first time to encourage the lads.
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Fey!
Bavarian-Board Contributor Funs over, Scotty; beam down my clothes! Joined: 28-February-2005 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 4161 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 07:35 |
Alex - I had been trying to organise an IAM course, but tbh there wasn't much support for the idea ("it won't reduce my insurance so why should I do it" line of thought). Will be doing it myself, and am still up for organising it for a group.
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flyingalexf68
Really Senior Member II Joined: 01-April-2006 Location: 53°19’59,6°14’56 Status: Offline Points: 2581 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 06:38 |
True.
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Mick525i
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Posted: 10-May-2006 at 06:33 |
Sorry mate I wasnt having a go, I just think we must treat all new drivers the same as it would be impossible to tell who will be carefull and who will be irrisponsible behind the wheel. I now feel that I am a good driver but only because of my experiance. (Trucks for 4 years and 40Kmls per year driving company car) Also autotesting teaches you good car control. Hey we can bash this topic to death all day long and no one will agree. Mick |
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flyingalexf68
Really Senior Member II Joined: 01-April-2006 Location: 53°19’59,6°14’56 Status: Offline Points: 2581 |
Posted: 10-May-2006 at 06:26 |
Well there you go Mick. Thats where you and I differ. I never drove like a d1ckhead. Yes I did mess and have fun but in safe places. I always had FULL knowledge of ALL the rules of the road and respect for them. (speed has a Limit, which can change, so is not a rule). Thats why I don't think painting all 17 year olds with the same brush and having special rules for them is fair. Anyone here done the IAM (Institute of Advanced Motorists) Advanced Driver Training day? I'd love to do it. Have to get some free time. I did the Hibernian Ignition a few years ago, which is run with the IAM. Learned a couple of things. Don't think 1 day is enough though. Edited by flyingalexf68 |
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Mick525i
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Posted: 10-May-2006 at 04:00 |
[QUOTE=flyingalexf68]@Mick520i I too was 17 and bought my own car and insured it. I drove like I knew it all. I too had driven around fields and private roads froma an early age, but as soon as I got into a car with my mates on a bank holiday weekend I could get to cork in 2 1/2 hours.. driving like a d1ckhead. I accecpt that now but would have told you to feck off when I was 17 if you told me to slow down. And Im not that old now(31). We need better training and enforcemant of the laws not just speeding, from an early age if we are to change the mind set of young and old drivers. But hey Im sure Gay Byrne will be able to reach out to the youth of today and convince them to drive safely. best of luck and safe driving all. Mick |
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kbannon
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Posted: 10-May-2006 at 02:57 |
I believe that radar is not used anymore really.
As for the garda having to stop you - seemingly there are two types of device used by them, one which can take a pic therefore the garda doesn't need to stop you, and the other doesn't take a pic so the garda has to stop you. The ones that take pics are in the Louth and Laois areas AFAIK. As for getting a radar/laser detector/jammer they are illegal to buy/sell/own/use/install/think about/look at on the internet/spell. The gardai can confiscate the equipment if they see it. According to a recent thread on boards.ie anyhow, these have varying results. Some beep when there is no garda around and don't beep when they are. |
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Emmet323
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Posted: 10-May-2006 at 00:26 |
Been trawling through the legal jargon but am still not certain about a few things and would really appreciate clarification from someone...
Fixed or 'van' gatso will just snap as you go past and it's sent out in the post (btw are the vans radar or laser based?), no need to stop you. Garda hiding under a dark bridge with no lights on and leaning on bonnet pointing a 'gun' at 5AM on the M1 southbound towards the airport.... possibly around 130kph before noticed... should he have stopped this driver ?. Btw not a single other car to be seen for miles in this hypothetical scenario... really pisses me off. Am seriously considering investing in this; some reviews here Would it be able to handle the mobile boys? (Handheld and vans?) Edited by Emmet323 |
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flyingalexf68
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Posted: 09-May-2006 at 17:46 |
@Mick520i
I do agree that we should have better tests, and I think we should all have to do a test minmum every 5 years, and an eye test every 2-3 (I wear glasses), but don't agree with you about the 17 year old. I was 18 when I started driving on the roads (insurance was my present) but was not accompanied at all, EVER. I had been driving since I was 11 (never on the open road). I had more experiance by the time I turned 18 than half the people on the road today. (What do I sound like?) Anyway a lot of people say that we should introduce special conditions for young drivers, speed limits, time limits, distance limits, engine size limits and more which REALLY anoys me. I do think we should have to do a practical test of some sort before being let out on the open road though. And to get our FULL licence we should have to do more than one test. But with 400,000 L drivers out there, thats a long way off. Edited by flyingalexf68 |
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Mick525i
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Posted: 09-May-2006 at 17:13 |
Very interesting thread. Speed kills... O course it does.. 2 cars traveling in oppesite directions traveling at 100kph each. 1 idiot is texting or drinking a can of coke and crosses the white line SMASH... 2 dead. The speed killed them, thats just physics. But they were not speeding... its bad driving and bad attitude thats killing road users. We are all responsible. And I think the speed checks will do nothing to kerb the deaths. I am not on a high moral ground as I do speed and every one has at some point, any one who claims different is a lair. I have been infront of the Justice and lost but before points were interjuced. (no points yet, not because I dont speed, just been lucky) "lets ban smoking.. fullstop and we would save many more lives than if we banned the car" i better stop now as this topic gets me mad. Better driving tests and experiance before you take to the road. A 17 year old should not have the god given right to take to the roads in what ever car they can afford, its just stupid. Mick |
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