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stevesingo
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Posted: 18-October-2005 at 15:48 |
Mines just arrived and will be fitted tomorrow, so I can post some pics if you like. A bit pricey after postage though!
Steve
John-M3 wrote:
Eamo wrote:
I also need a pipe to replace the AFM. What/where did you guys get yours? |
on s14net there is a guy "rongineer" making up a special airfilter box with large pipe to replace the AFM.
i havent seen it myself, but you might be able to get some pictures/info from him.
John
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Eamo
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Posted: 18-October-2005 at 16:32 |
steve
would love to see the pix
thanks
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Maxxum
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Posted: 20-October-2005 at 15:49 |
The innovative wbo2 sensor does not have rpm logging,is this needed with the Alpha N setup.
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stevesingo
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Posted: 20-October-2005 at 16:40 |
Eamo,
I take it youv'e seen this Airbox
Steve
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John-M3
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Posted: 20-October-2005 at 17:58 |
you dont really need the WBO to do ANY logging. The AN will log all you need to know. TPS, RPM, AFR, LMOUT, etc.
did you see the pictures I posted in the other AN thread? that was from an AN log file.
John
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Maxxum
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Posted: 21-October-2005 at 04:32 |
Thanks John, how does the AN log the AFR
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Eamo
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Posted: 21-October-2005 at 04:38 |
stevesingo wrote:
Eamo,
I take it youv'e seen this Airbox
Steve |
i did boss. thanks for that.
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UweM3
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Posted: 21-October-2005 at 04:45 |
Maxxum wrote:
Thanks John, how does the AN log the AFR |
The Alpha-N has an input where you feed the INNOVATE WBO signal in.
Dead easy to do.
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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Maxxum
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Posted: 21-October-2005 at 04:59 |
Now I see Uwe, thanks, looks like the innovative unit wil cover everything then.
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UweM3
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Posted: 21-October-2005 at 05:34 |
I have just installed one last weekend in Sunny's car. Good piece of kit. But read the instructions BEFORE you connect everything. There is an order of how to connect everything at first time use.
If you hook it up with the MAXX you can use power and ground from the MAXX's X3 plug. Make sure you use the correct grounds (chassis and signal).
Where are you going to mount the sensor?
There will be a new Software release of the MAXX Alpha-n supporting the INNOVATE WBO's
Another thing you might want to do is to set the sensitivity of the INNOVATE display a little lower (in the INNOVATE software). Otherwise the number will change very fast.
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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John-M3
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Posted: 21-October-2005 at 07:07 |
here is how the WBOs are connected to the AN:
john.gmstech.de/docs/an-te.pdf
its all pretty simple. you can evaluate logs to aide
off line tuning of your map.
then you just need to learn how to tune it on the street :)
this is the quickest way to do it.
I use a combination of left foot braking and throttle to reach
all the desired load points. Works perfect and you dont
kill brakes. Ask Kevin if his brakes are still ok,
I helped him with his on the backroads
in the Eifel on one of the Ring trips.
If interested I wrote a rather long desription of how I do it on S14.net
search for "tuning guide to AN" or something like that.
it is not hard at all you just need to overcome the fear of
messing something up :)
John
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kevin
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Posted: 21-October-2005 at 13:08 |
John-M3 wrote:
I use a combination of left foot braking and throttle to
reach all the desired load points. Works perfect and you dont kill
brakes. Ask Kevin if his brakes are still ok, I helped him with his on
the backroads in the Eifel on one of the Ring trips. |
This post brought back great memories of a very interesting experience of John driving and tuning my car on the twisty roads.
The brakes were fine afterwards.
Cheers
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Kevin
'04 E46 330Ci Convertible
'08 E61 535d Touring (TorqueMeister Towbarge)
’95 E34 M5
’89 E30 M3 (Cecotto)
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M3Pilot
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Posted: 22-October-2005 at 10:17 |
I think I'm going to have to get one of these, as I could really do with it. AS long as it easy enough to link up with the Maxx.
Didn't they change the Maxx loom recently? I've had mine for a good 18 months now. Will II still be able to link the Innovate WB02 to the Maxx harness?
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John-M3
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Posted: 22-October-2005 at 11:37 |
Martin, you probably have an older AN with the older X3 plug. That connector has only 3 pins: 5V reference, Signal and GND.
you will have to connect the WBout signal of the LM1 to the "Signal" pin of the X3 connector. Do not hook up the +5V or the GND pins.
you will have to get power +12V,GND externally to power the LM1. There are a few cables in the glove box that provide this.
To hook up the NBsim output of the LM1 you can run a wire with special connector straight into the engine harness. The connector for this is the same as on your stock lambda sensor cable. if you need one let me know. you will not be needing NBsim unless you intend to run AN O2 control, IOW, if you continue to use stock motronic O2 control then dont worry about it.
John
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215DMX
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Posted: 22-October-2005 at 12:57 |
a quick reminder of what a Innovate looks like.
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UweM3
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Posted: 22-October-2005 at 15:53 |
what's the red LED for???
BTW if you need some super bright LED's let me know
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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M3Pilot
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Posted: 22-October-2005 at 16:15 |
John,
Yes I am sure that there is only 3 pins on my X3 plug. The Maxx will still show the signal?
I'm on the 2.16V software. I tried to use the 2.20V software but it keep crashing. I'm sure that it had an added Lambda icon on the fuel map page.?
My cars runs open loop ( both blue and black conected?) As far as I know Bexleys write the same info to all parts of the chip. So if I disconnect the black ones that should bring the Motronic O2 control back on. But how will this work unless the Innovate connects into the engine harness for the Motronic to read the WB signal?
How many of you run with the O2 control on be it either the Maxx or Motronic one?
I never used either until I thought that something was out on the mapping side. I still can't work out why one exhuast pipe was a different colour ( one a rusty brown the other sooty black) to the other one.
I'll see how it is when I get it back.
Edited by M3Pilot
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215DMX
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Posted: 22-October-2005 at 16:57 |
UweM3 wrote:
what's the red LED for???
BTW if you need some super bright LED's let me
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Uwe, its from the LC-1, tells me about status, errors
and stuff, didn't you wire one in th Sunny's car then?
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UweM3
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Posted: 23-October-2005 at 06:04 |
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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215DMX
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Posted: 23-October-2005 at 06:18 |
Your right Uwe, but if at any time the display no worky
or whatever I have a idea of whats going on.
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