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Nigel
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Posted: 20-November-2005 at 15:57 |
I think Livvy, it may have a bearing, he ran, lets be honest, if he'd stood still and put his hands up he'd still be with us.
Suicide bombers are a new threat for us, mistakes are likely no matter how regrettable, but if someone points a gun at you and shouts armed police, you must stand still.
I've been removed from a car in Guatamala, at gunpoint, by police so they could search for drugs.
It isn't nice, I don't speak the lingo, but I'm still alive, I may not be if I'd run !
I've been locked up by yanks on the usa/mexican border because the dopey gits can't read, but you don't resist ( and I even had the lingo in that case).
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Nigel
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livvy
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 12-November-2005
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Posted: 20-November-2005 at 16:28 |
Nigel wrote:
I think Livvy, it may have a bearing, he ran, lets be honest, if he'd stood still and put his hands up he'd still be with us.
Suicide bombers are a new threat for us, mistakes are likely no
matter how regrettable, but if someone points a gun at you and shouts
armed police, you must stand still.
I've been removed from a car in Guatamala, at gunpoint, by police so they could search for drugs.
It isn't nice, I don't speak the lingo, but I'm still alive, I may not be if I'd run !
I've been locked up by yanks on the usa/mexican border because the
dopey gits can't read, but you don't resist ( and I even had the lingo
in that case). |
We don't know yet Nigel that he did run. We only have our press saying
that he did & then saying that he didn't & then saying that he
did.
We will have to wait for the enquiry & IPCC investigation to
publish it's findings. With a press desperate to have a story on the
matter & the Police neither confirming or denying those stories,
that seems like the only sensible course of action.
Edited by livvy
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scarface
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Joined: 16-June-2004
Location: Surrey, UK
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Points: 414
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Posted: 20-November-2005 at 18:28 |
There were delays on getting evidence, and the police were being
obstructive. For one the CCTV tapes cannot be found/were blank
from the cameras covering the incident.
I agree that the fact he was an illegal doesn't have anything to do
with the shooting, unless he did run. Even then you shouldn't be
shot for running from the police, it could have been you or I.
All I am saying is that to be prepared to use lethal force on someone
that you have no intelligence on is crazy.
We will wait for the findings of the enquiry.
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livvy
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 02:00 |
scarface wrote:
There were delays on getting evidence, and the police were being
obstructive. For one the CCTV tapes cannot be found/were blank
from the cameras covering the incident. |
Who said that ?
The IPCC ?
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scarface
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 06:05 |
TBH I can't remember who was alleging it at the time, it was on the news. So it must be true!
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 06:58 |
scarface wrote:
- Not a Daily Mail reader btw
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Good, there are enough of them out there already....
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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livvy
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 11:03 |
scarface wrote:
TBH I can't remember who was alleging it at the time, it was on the news. So it must be true!
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Must be then.
Just like the news said he ran, no he didn't, he ran, no he didn't.
Edited by livvy
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My views expressed are just that.
Mine & mine alone.
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sleeper
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Joined: 26-March-2004
Location: East Sussex/Kent border
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 14:27 |
Nigel wrote:
I've been removed from a car in Guatamala, at gunpoint, by police so they could search for drugs. |
I have been over here, by 3 ARV's and a helicopter, new pants? yes please!
Nigel wrote:
It isn't nice, I don't speak the lingo, but I'm still alive, I may not be if I'd run !
I've been locked up by yanks on the usa/mexican border because the dopey gits can't read, but you don't resist ( and I even had the lingo in that case).
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Anyone crossed a border into china? You can't even LOOK at the guards (who have loaded AK47's, WITH THE SAFETY OFF)!
That's scary, but no matter what language, if they shout, you freeze!
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Robmw
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 14:30 |
I also felt like Rhys that Brazil had terrible gun crime but from the Head of the Met Commissioner Blair speech he stated some figures which I think are appalling per 100,000 head of population - in Europe there are 400 crimes per year,
in Brazil there are 900 crimes per year,
in USA there are 4,000 crimes per year, & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;
and in UK THERE ARE 11,000 CRIMES PER YEAR
Now I will appreciate that a lot of people will say that this is down to poor reporting in other countries and excellent reporting in this country, personnally I feel this country is becoming lawless and soon protection will come from vigilantism
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livvy
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 14:38 |
Average number of homicides per 100,000 population 2000-2002
England & Wales 1.76
Belgium 7.06
France 1.82
Germany 1.11
EU average 2.48
USA 5.59
Estonia 10.29
Lithuania 10.39
Russia 22.25
South Africa 48.84
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My views expressed are just that.
Mine & mine alone.
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thepits
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Joined: 09-July-2003
Location: far far away
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 15:11 |
Star Trekking, across the universe..................
"Uhura: There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow. There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, Jim!
Starship Captain, James T. Kirk
Kirk: Ha-ha! We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill. We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men.
McCoy: It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim. Dead, Jim. Dead, Jim. It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim. Dead, Jim, Dead. "
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But don't care.
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spokey
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Joined: 02-March-2004
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 15:39 |
livvy wrote:
Average number of homicides per 100,000 population 2000-2002
England & Wales 1.76
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Does that include irresponsible speeding drivers?
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Ciao,
Spokey
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livvy
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 15:48 |
spokey wrote:
livvy wrote:
Average number of homicides per 100,000 population 2000-2002
England & Wales 1.76
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Does that include irresponsible speeding drivers?
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Only where it falls within the definition of homicide I'd imagine.
Edited by livvy
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My views expressed are just that.
Mine & mine alone.
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thepits
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 15:50 |
spokey wrote:
livvy wrote:
Average number of homicides per 100,000 population 2000-2002 England & Wales 1.76
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Oho spokey, you're going to stir up
here mate!
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spokey
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 15:54 |
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Ciao,
Spokey
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livvy
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 15:55 |
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My views expressed are just that.
Mine & mine alone.
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spokey
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 15:56 |
All the advertising I see on TV. Richard Brunstrom. Discussions on forums with police officers.
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Ciao,
Spokey
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livvy
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 15:57 |
Nah
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My views expressed are just that.
Mine & mine alone.
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thepits
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Posted: 21-November-2005 at 16:12 |
Spokey!
Shall I get you a new
yours must be quite worn out by now!
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 22-November-2005 at 06:46 |
Robmw wrote:
personnally I feel this country is becoming lawless and soon protection will come from vigilantism |
There is a perception that this country is becomming more lawless. This is caused by the far reach of the media, One perosn is shot and you here about it so much you believe it is common place, and the fact that people want you to believe that with law and order labout have failed, i.e political agenda. The Daily mail is famous for this kind of political Bulls**t.
I'm not saying that some areas such as youth culture and binge drinking don't need more attention, but the notion that this country has a worse crime problem than the likes of the US and Brazil is to be quite honest bloody stupid.
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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