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seanf
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Topic: E36 328i sport in ireland? Posted: 29-November-2005 at 14:43 |
Was just wondering does anyone on here drive an e36 328i sport? im between two minds on a 323i coupe and a 328i sport coupe. i can justify the extra insurance/tax on the 328 but i just feel like it wont sell when the time comes as ive only ever seen one in galway so far!
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aubergine
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 15:10 |
Hi Sean,
Haven't seen any here either, but have been keeping and eye
on the magazines as they seem really well speced/priced.
Would be interested to hear how you get on if you go the 328
Sport route as it seems like a logical replacement for my E30
when the time comes.
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Aidan316i
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 15:42 |
GUy I know has 2, one of which is a sport, its a lovely car and expresses circular motions if required! The 323i engine is a good pwoerful one and is alrite on the fuel
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seanf
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 16:21 |
Aidan316i wrote:
GUy I know has 2, one of which is a sport, its a lovely car and expresses circular motions if required! The 323i engine is a good pwoerful one and is alrite on the fuel |
would i be right in assumibg the 328 wouldnt differ much in fuel from the 323??
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Aidan316i
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 16:24 |
Well Big debate depending on how hard or softly you drive it, there would be a small differnec between the 323i & 328i MPG figures, naturally the 328i will drink a bit more than a 323i, 323's aren't bad for drinking the petrol though!
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seanf
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 16:32 |
i have my eye on a well-specced one in england 99 one with 63k on the clock. Do you think it will sell over here when the time comes???
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Aidan316i
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 16:36 |
Well there uncommon just not rare, but it should sell on after
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mikerd4
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 16:44 |
Ive seen well specced 323's up for sale for a long time, there are buyers out there but paying a thousand euro tax a year puts a lot of people off. But its your cash if you cn pay the premium go for it. Whats the vrt on a well specced 328?
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aubergine
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 16:49 |
Sean
I figure that it would sell easy enough. A lot of people over here
would love one but strangely enough they don't seem to like
travelling to buy cars and going through the VRT and re-
registration process. If they amount of 323's I see around
Dublin is anything to go by you should have no problem
moving it on.
Like the way you are thinking though, selling it befor you've
even bought it!!
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BM Fan
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 17:04 |
I had a 328 - wasn't a sport, so didn't have the looks, lsd, suspension
etc. I'd say go for the 328 as it is a fantastic engine and after
changing it for an M3 Evo, I would go so far as to say the the 328 is a
more enjoyable everyday car.
Speed wise, the Evo comes into its own at 100+ and only starts to fly
at those speeds which in the real world isn't usable. The Evo had
monumental grip and handling which again could only be put to the
limits if you were willing to loose your license. The E36 328 will hang
with an E46 330 and match most other high performance cars out there
for very little money.
Stop go M50 rush hour traffic - around 30mpg, the only issue is selling
them on, everyone would love one but only few are prepared to pay the
premiums requied to put one on the road in this country.
323 is a lovely motor but you can't beat torque and the best way to get it is with cc's
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Dergside
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 17:07 |
Sean
Before I bought the current e36, my choices were going to be either the '93 or '94 (vanos but pre nikasil) 325i coupe or a late Sport. I bought the 325i only because I would have wanted a post nikasil 328i (i.e. late '98 or '99). These are relatively scarce in the UK and by the time it was landed and the dreaded VRT paid it would have cost twice the price of my car. I may go the Sport route next time. Curiously, VRT on a Sport is actually a little bit less than a regular coupe. Go figure!
As regards resale, I think this one could be a sleeper over the next couple of years. As e30 Sports get harder to come by in top condition (and get more expensive), there will be a move towards the e36. These people will already be used to the road tax and insurance.
There IS a market for cars like these but it is small, so condition and history is the key for a quick sale and a good price. People will pay good money if the car is right. My last e30 is an example, it was low owners with a full history and well above average condition. It sold quickly and for a little more than I paid for it after 12 months and 8k miles (despite being rear ended shortly after buying it, otherwise I could have done even better).
There aren't too many 328i's about, Sport or otherwise, but in the long run a Sport will be more desirable in the same way that an e30 Sport is preferred to an SE, but its probably still a couple of years away before the difference between an e36 Sport and regular 328i coupe is significant here (the Sport being a little more expensive in the UK).
Does anyone know if the insurance co's load the Sport over a non-Sport 328i coupe (that might account for the VRT difference)?
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seanf
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 17:35 |
the vrt on a 99 one is 3000, but a 98 is 2270 so in the new year the 99 will go down to around 2300 vrt. this aint bad considering and is cheaper than the non-sport model. i think ill go for the 328, because ill have it for a year or two and really do want it over the 323. i dont think the petrol/running costs will be much more than the 323 and i guess ill have to wait and see when i go to sell it. im only getting onw with a great history and it has to be mint so that will prob stand to it when selling time comes...
oh and guess whats the reason i want a 99??? nikasil
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Dergside
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 17:49 |
Sean
One thought in regard to nikasil. There are plenty of nikasil cars that have had the engine done by BMW and can be very good value if the overall mileage is reasonable and condition OK. As you said, there is a big drop in VRT between '99 and '98. Likewise there is a biggish drop to '97 as well.
If you went that route, you'd have to have a good paper record of the engine work done for the history file. The sort of buyers for a car like this down the road will almost certainly be aware of "the nikasil issue" even if they don't know the full detail of what is affected and what's not.
Its justa pity that the M52TU engine didn't go in to the end of line e36's. Now, that would have been X-tra nice!
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JohnH
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 17:57 |
Sean
I have an e46 3233ci and sometime I have to admit I wish it had more power - go for the 328.
John
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Fey!
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Posted: 29-November-2005 at 19:07 |
Good luck with the buying, Sean. Have to say, your current e36 looked great the other night!
KDevitt has an e46 328 - he should be able to give you an idea of running costs.
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mikerd4
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Posted: 30-November-2005 at 02:35 |
I cant see there being a big leap in running costs between a 323 and 328 apart from tax and insurance and if you are willing to pay that then do it.
On the selling point, the market is very limited as it is on a lot of bigger engined cars in Ireland. People struggle selling the bigger 6 cylinder versions but the 4 cylinder models go like hot cakes. My car was at the garage a long time beore I bought it and hence why I got a fair whack knocked off, there is a mint 323 in my village that the lad couldnt shift for months even though the price was very good yet his friends 318 (lower spec same year) went within 3 days of being advertised! Very much horses for courses as a lot of people dont want to pay a grand in road tax (lets wait and see what myr Cowen announces!), but if you want it why worry about resale now?
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kbannon
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Posted: 30-November-2005 at 03:56 |
When pricing insurance over the last few years I have noticed that
there isn't much difference between a 2.5L and a 2.8L. In fact I could
nearly go up to 4L without much, if any, change in price.
Tax though...
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Dergside
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Posted: 30-November-2005 at 07:38 |
mikerd4 wrote:
My car was at the garage a long time beore I bought it and hence why I got a fair whack knocked off |
Mike
If I recall correctly, your car also had an above average mileage when you bought it. That will stop the phone ringing in this country. In the UK, it simply gets factored in to the price and away you go. Here people will ignore a leggy car, almost regardless of condition or price (unless the price is on the floor, but dealers aren't good about adjusting for mileage).
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Eamo
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Posted: 30-November-2005 at 08:54 |
I would go for the 323 myself. As already stated the only increase in running costs would be tax and insurance.
The big killer for you would be when you go to shift it. As its a 2.8 it will be very hard shift. Plus if you look at the prices of e36 m3's at the moment you can find some which (albeit may need a small tidy) but are making the same money and in some cases less money than 328's. Last weeks autotrader had a 96 m3 for £3750. Im speaking from personal expierience here as I have shifted 8 bimmers in the last 2 years inc 2 m3's!!
What hasn't been mentioned so far is the power. Power wise the 323 has 170bhp but is restricted. The 328 is 190 and is also restricted. But put the manifold and throttle bodies from an early e36 25 on and your up at 190bhp!! I think Adrian Healy did this on this e39 523. Its a popular mod that has been discussed and done plenty of times by people on this forum (do a search on the 3 series forum and you'll see what I mean!
Whatever you decide - best of luck!!!
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Posted: 30-November-2005 at 09:24 |
Talk to T.J.
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