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There were loads of people enjoying their open cars today... but not me as it's in the paintshop!

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Sounds frustraing all right Coasting. Even BMW motorbikes are supposed to
have awkward indicators. There's a girl that lives up the road from me who
owns a Mini convertible and NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER puts the hood
down. Drives me mental. Especially when you're stuck in a melting hot car
with no aircon. I know some owners seem too embarrassed to put the hood
down. Like they're trying to show off or something. But I always put the
hood down when I had the Z3. Even when it was 1 degree outside. Just so
long as it's not raining. Anyway, sorry for the thrread hijack. I do like
Bangles convertibles though. Wonder what the new tin top 3 series will be
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Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:

I know some owners seem too embarrassed to put the hood down. Like they're trying to show off or something. But I always put the hood down when I had the Z3. Even when it was 1 degree outside. Just so long as it's not raining.

Problem is that (IMHO) most men don't suit convertables.

Now sports-cars are different - when I had one, the hood was ALWAYS down - Especially when it was raining

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Thats soooo true.  Most men certainly don't suit convertibles.

I don't suit mine.  As Clarkson said, the disadvantage with a convertible is that everyone can see you're a fat, middle-aged, scruffy, ugly fella with a bald patch.

Fortunately, I have a full head of hair.  The rest, well I plead guilty.

 



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Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:


Wonder what the new tin top 3 series will be
like?


I saw one yesterday BTW, looked quite nice with the roof down but I just don't like those folding hard tops. I feel they take up too much bootspace and they make the car look less pretty than a conventional soft top.


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Agreed. There's something rather... unimpressive about the new 'vert with the roof up, and roof down all it reminded me of was my own car...

Doesnt help that I havent seen one in a nice colour yet. What was the deal with BMW producing promo photographs in gold?

I think safety regulations and buyer comfort requirements have alot to do with alot of the decidedly dodgy car design these days. Kinda means they all have to look the same, but with different twinkly jewellery bits to nod towards 'styling'.
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Chris Bangle is the absolute genius destroyer of BMW.

I think most of the new style is rather odd and it takes genius to do that and increase sales the way BMW have managed.

Actually, I don't like the insides anymore either. I love the classic BMW binnacle/dashboard and think back fondly to the E21/E23/E24/E28 etc. days of the angled centre console; those were the days, proper driver orientated design.

There was a time when BMW's were bought as a "Driver's Car". Nowadays it's seen as just another prestige/status brand.

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Originally posted by Coasting Coasting wrote:

Thats soooo true.  Most men certainly don't suit
convertibles.



I wouldn't agree there. There are plenty of good sports convertibles that suit
men as well as women. The Ford Ka, Mini, VW Beetle, Citroen C3 etc etc are
for Girls. But an MX-5, Z3 (with an engine; not this 1.9 rubbish), Z4, S2000,
Boxster, 911, Jag, SL, and M3 would and should be considered mens cars.
The huge array of family convertibles ala Audi, 3 Series, 6 Series, CLK, VW
Eos etc are more of a grey area. I suppose they just show that you're a
successful family man, or a married to one. (I know some women may
choose to buy one themselves but mostly they would buy the smaller ones if
they were single). Convertibles are good fun. Buy one and enjoy it I say.
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Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:

Originally posted by Coasting Coasting wrote:

Thats soooo true.  Most men certainly don't suit
convertibles.



I wouldn't agree there. There are plenty of good sports convertibles that suit
men as well as women. The Ford Ka, Mini, VW Beetle, Citroen C3 etc etc are
for Girls. But an MX-5, Z3 (with an engine; not this 1.9 rubbish), Z4, S2000,
Boxster, 911, Jag, SL, and M3 would and should be considered mens cars.
The huge array of family convertibles ala Audi, 3 Series, 6 Series, CLK, VW
Eos etc are more of a grey area. I suppose they just show that you're a
successful family man, or a married to one. (I know some women may
choose to buy one themselves but mostly they would buy the smaller ones if
they were single). Convertibles are good fun. Buy one and enjoy it I say.

Well I'm trying to find the right A4 Cabrio at ther moment so soon I'll be on of those to**ers with the hood down when I find the right one!
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Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:

I wouldn't agree there. There are plenty of good sports convertibles that suit men as well as women.....an MX-5, Z3 (with an engine; not this 1.9 rubbish), Z4, S2000, Boxster, 911, Jag, SL, and M3 would and should be considered mens cars. 

I'm sorry? Have I missed something?

MX-5? Boxster (only bought by people that can't afford a Real Porsche)?

Z4, S2000 ??

a (convertable) Jag, SL, 911 or M3 ???

Mens Cars????

 

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Ah come on! Boxster only bought by people who can't buy a real Porsche?!? These Clarkson-esque soundbites are such a load of BS.

It's a real Porsche - it wipes the floor with all the competition day in day out since it was created, despite it being underpowered half the time.

 

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Originally posted by T.J. T.J. wrote:

Ah come on! Boxster only bought by people who can't buy a real Porsche?!? These Clarkson-esque soundbites are such a load of BS.
but oh so true .......  if you want a Porsche, buy a 911, if you can't afford one - buy a BMW instead!

 

Originally posted by T.J. T.J. wrote:

It's a real Porsche - it wipes the floor with all the competition day in day out since it was created, despite it being underpowered half the time.
which is a bit of a contradiction if you pause and think about it ....

 

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Originally posted by 635CSi 635CSi wrote:

Well I'm trying to find the right A4 Cabrio at ther moment so soon I'll be on of those to**ers with the hood down when I find the right one!

Nice cars - but whatever you do, don't buy a FWD variant.  Make sure its Quattro.  I have a FWD A4 Avant and it is possessed by the worst ESP system known to mankind.  It is truly awful.



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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

MX-5? Boxster (only bought by people that can't afford a Real Porsche)?

The MX-5 is the best drivers car I have ever owned.  It wipes the floor with the M3's I have owned.  Utterly destroys them for driver enjoyment and experience.

As for the Boxster, many would now argue that its the fool that buys the 911 when you can have 80% of the car for half the price...

The latest generation Boxster is a superb car.

 

Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

a (convertable) Jag, SL, 911 or M3 ???

you're having a laugh  

I agree and maintain my earlier point that convertibles, on the whole, don't suit blokes.  The M3 is just a very compromised Coupe.  As I discovered.



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Originally posted by Coasting Coasting wrote:

Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

 Boxster (only bought by people that can't afford a Real Porsche)?
Boxster, many would now argue that its the fool that buys the 911 when you can have 80% of the car for half the price...

but I wouldn't want only 80% of a Porsche - I'd want all of it.........

 

Originally posted by Coasting Coasting wrote:

Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

a (convertable) Jag, SL, 911 or M3 ???

you're having a laugh  

I agree and maintain my earlier point that convertibles, on the whole, don't suit blokes.  The M3 is just a very compromised Coupe.  As I discovered.

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Saturday morning and I thought I'd drop in and see what was happening. Reading through this thread, got me thinking, in the last few years there have been very few new standard cars that I have really liked the look of straight away. This includes the one I recently changed to - it is not the most stylish looking from the outside, bit of a "lump" really, its not the worst but its not going to win any beauty pagent, its the type of thing that you would walk past and not take much notice.

The exception to this rule would be the new Ferrari, Porsche, exotics etc and thats probably because the changes that they make are very subtle. In some cases, particularly the two mention brands above its difficult to distinguish each subsequent model from the other. The design seems to evolve very slowly and in a traditional manner as opposed to other marques making dramatic leaps.

At this stage most on the Bangle creations have grown on me, agreed that in most cases its the wheels that define whether the car looks right or wrong.  I have seen as many new 3 convertibles at this stage as coupes and they seem to be stacking up well in the looks terms. The roof makes them a little less obvious from the standard coupe but on first impressions I think they'll grow on me as well.

To me one of the most radical models to come out recently was the 6 and possibly that has to do with the fact that there was a gap of sorts, from the first 6, then a jump to the 8 and then a new 6.  For that reason I love the latest 6, it was a bold and major jump. Creating a bit of a love hate thing.

The only one I do not like is the X3, it just doesn't seem to fit for some reason. I don't really know what its supposed to be as its not a full size SUV and its not an estate car. It strikes me as something that the marketing department decided was need to fill a gap and has missed the point.

All in all I like the Bangle look, it takes a little getting used to but for me the designs work well and are dynamic and bolder than teh majority of wind tunnel design formula that we see on the roads everyday.

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Originally posted by BM Fan BM Fan wrote:

The only one I do not like is the X3, it just doesn't seem to fit for some reason. I don't really know what its supposed to be as its not a full size SUV and its not an estate car. It strikes me as something that the marketing department decided was need to fill a gap and has missed the point.

Couldn't agree more.  Its ill proportioned, odd in style and not even a nice vehicle to drive.  A colleague of mine has one, in 2.0d form, and it is quite simply a hideous thing in every respect.  I cannot look at it without thinking what went wrong in the design process.  The new X5 has thankfully not suffered the same fate, with the ridiculous rear quarter panel/windows of the X3 being rectified in the design of the X5.

In fact my dealer once fed my dislike for the X3 by telling me how little thought some of their owners put into the purchase.  This was due to the fact he had just taken an order for a 3.0d....specified with options to such an extent that it took the car to over £41,500.  What!!!  He commented that he tried to get the buyer to switch to an X5 but he was insistent on wanting every single toy he could in it.  In the words of the salesman "When he comes to change it, I hope to god I'm not the person who has to tell him the trade-in price."

As for washing the car, well I've just cleaned all my carpets (beige, and thank god for a VAX otherwise I'd be on my 10th set now), done all the leather, hoovered the hood and the insides, and am now about to give it a quick wash before applying a second coat of Pinnacle Souveran (second as I did do last week) in preparation for some proper meet/run/hood-down fun tomorrow.  Perfect weather for it.



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[/QUOTE] which is a bit of a contradiction if you pause and think about it ....

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Not at all - you can get more bang for your buck, but despite being underpowered compared to competition from others, the Porsche still beats them. Why? Because it is a 100% Porsche!

Applying your own logic, you could say that a BMW without a 6cylinder engine simply isn't a BMW, so go buy a Passat instead.



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Nice cars - but whatever you do, don't buy a FWD variant.  Make sure its Quattro.  I have a FWD A4 Avant and it is possessed by the worst ESP system known to mankind.  It is truly awful.

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I'd love a Quattro, but they are very hard to come by even in Saloon variant in this country. I'd have to go to the UK and I don't want all that hassle. I've driven a FWD variant and I thought it was grand but not as composed as the 330Ci I had a go of but I still prefer the A4.
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Couldn't agree more.  Its ill proportioned, odd in style and not even a nice vehicle to drive.  A colleague of mine has one, in 2.0d form, and it is quite simply a hideous thing in every respect.  I cannot look at it without thinking what went wrong in the design process.  The new X5 has thankfully not suffered the same fate, with the ridiculous rear quarter panel/windows of the X3 being rectified in the design of the X5.

In fact my dealer once fed my dislike for the X3 by telling me how little thought some of their owners put into the purchase.  This was due to the fact he had just taken an order for a 3.0d....specified with options to such an extent that it took the car to over £41,500.  What!!!  He commented that he tried to get the buyer to switch to an X5 but he was insistent on wanting every single toy he could in it.  In the words of the salesman "When he comes to change it, I hope to god I'm not the person who has to tell him the trade-in price."


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The X3 is a horrible, horrible car and not worthy of the BMW badge.
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