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Mick525i
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See what I mean I never aggree with you I have several motor trade friends, Merc's and BMW sell better and get more money when fitted with an auto box. Infact I have heard them say "dont buy a manual Merc, you will never sell it again". It is more of a problem on Mercs because of the customer they have, but its there on BM's as well. Ask a trader to choose between 2 similar 520's and he will go for the Auto every time. We are talking 5 series here not 3's and 1ers... thats different. Mick |
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larzyh
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Good morning Mick; we seem to be the early risers here. I have never driven a manual Mercedes but I believe they make particularly bad manual gearboxes and excellent autos. I think BMW have a good reputation for their manuals apart from some notchiness (which some people, like me, like) and the clutch delay valve (which I don't like; has anybody here removed theirs?). |
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Larzyh.
Previously or currently, in the family: '77 E21 320, '78 E21 320, '79 E21 320, '87 E28 520i, '88 E30 325iC, '95 E34 525i, '98 E39 528i, '98 Z3 2.5, '98 E38 740iL, '95 E36 Compact, '99 E36 318iT, '02 E46 318iT, '96 E34 525tdsT, '98 E38 740iL... |
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dryle
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I prefer the manual, but it can have its downsides as i learnt to my dismay. Mercedes are great manuals as its an aul fellas car |
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Dave Ryle
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Mick525i
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Looking at you list of BM's your in a better place than I to know. I have only had Auto Bm's I have drivin 2 520 manuals but I prefaired the Auto. Horses for courses I supose. Good Morning. Mick |
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lesurely
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He said he hadn't notice anything !! going back to check the service history and bring a mechanic friend with me. He also said the car has been here for over a year on irish plates, I'll wait and see... not going to let the heart rule on this on. |
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635CSi
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I never said Merc make good manuals, they make absolutely terrible manuals as a matter of fact... You've driven a 520i manual but never a 530i manual, now that would be an absolute hoot! No offence to you, but I think your opinion is a buoyest one. Edited by 635CSi |
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Mick525i
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None taken. Yep proberly a bit buoyest but I have always thought large exec saloon's sell best in Auto Trim. If Im tearing accross the hills I would much prefair a manual box anyday. But for normal day to day driving the Auto suits very well. 1 1/2 hours into abbey street from rathfarnham this morning in traffic. never changed gear once. never even had to move my left foot. Mick |
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Mick525i
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635csi,,, Just as a buy the way what do you drive. Mick |
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larzyh
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Good one Mick - 635CSi calling anybody biased (I am presuming this is what he means) is rather like kettles calling pots black!
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Larzyh.
Previously or currently, in the family: '77 E21 320, '78 E21 320, '79 E21 320, '87 E28 520i, '88 E30 325iC, '95 E34 525i, '98 E39 528i, '98 Z3 2.5, '98 E38 740iL, '95 E36 Compact, '99 E36 318iT, '02 E46 318iT, '96 E34 525tdsT, '98 E38 740iL... |
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Mick525i
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LOL, but I was really just asking out of curiosity. So go on 635, tell us, whats your transport? Mick |
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Mick525i
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Good idea, the message from this thread is just to be carefull. Mick |
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635CSi
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I drive a Volvo S70, somehow I think I've mentioned this before. I love it, it's sprightly, it's very comfortable as Volvo's go and has a bit of prestige. It doesn't really suit my image though, I'm half the age of the average driver of one of these! I've owned a rusty old E30 which went to the scrapper, that counts me as a former BMW owner. Bear in mind that just because I'm a Volvo driver doesn't mean I'm not a die hard Bimmer fan... |
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635CSi
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By the way, I was referring to only the 5 Series when I said manual is better because I feel the auto totally blunts the driving experience. I believe that every other executive cars should have a slusher though. |
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flyingalexf68
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Is your Volvo an auto or manual 635? And have you ever driven a modern
auto? The Steptronic auto's in todays BMW's are far superior to most old stlye slush boxes. In auto mode they change quickly and smoothly and always at the right time. Going down a hill or braking they will downchange one or more gears depending on how you're driving and kickdown is usually perfect. And of course you can put it in manual mode and change your own gears. Basically I think the Steptronic is perfectly suited to the 5 series (especially a diesel one) and it doesn't detract from the driving experience at all. I wouldn't even consider a manual gearbox if I was buying a any 5 series. Unless it was an M5. |
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635CSi
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My Volvo is a manual, it would be more suited to an auto because it is more of a cruiser than an 'ultimate driving machine'. It's comfort orientated rather than involving, the gearbox in it has a bit of a long throw but is still pleasant to use. My preference in an A6 or an E Class would obviously be auto but in a 5 Series it would definitely be manual. Well I guess it's personal preference, I have driven a 525i Steptronic and it was alright but I still would have preferred a manual, I drove a manual 520i recently and loved it, I like the dogleg gearbox. I could imagine with all the power from the 525i combined with that gearbox would be phenomenal! I admit the Steptronic is a brilliant gearbox, it's fine in a bigger Bimmer such as a 6 Series or 7 Series but from 1 Series to 5 Series I have to say I would prefer manual. Actually come to think of it, we have gone majorly off topic here!!! Edited by 635CSi |
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Kin Mak
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For me diesels should be autos. They have too few revs and are better suited to autos. |
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Gars Estoril
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Lesurely, If you want to check any BMW out for service history that has a FULL BMW service history go to your local BMW dealer and talk to them very nicely and give them the VIN number and they can pull up every single service, wiper blade, bulb etc. that has ever been put on the car.
I got a full history on my car after I got it and was very impressed as to the detail that was in the print-out! It even gives you a list of the factory fitted options/extras that are on the car! |
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lesurely
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For a bit I thought it was going to be a never ending tread. But It made for some good reading. A Volvo
Gars Estoril: Thanks I will. Edited by lesurely |
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Mick525i
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My 65 year old uncle drives one Nice car though. Mick |
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flyingalexf68
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@635, What 520i has a dogleg gearbox? Is it from the 1970's?
@Kin, I agree that diesels suit auto box's but the gearbox must be very good. I've driven quite a few old type slushbox's in diesels and they won't change up until you're near the red line, which in a diesel means you're just blowing smoke out the back and when you kickdown to overtake it willl drop into too low a gear, again giving lots of smoke but no go. The likes of the Steptronic is much better. And whatever autobox is used in the BMW powered Freelander. |
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