Am A Criminal Again !

Hey tiko ... understand ... i got the phone one week before the points come to be mandatory .... mine was a £30 fine though and a none to chuffed plod.

The charge aint using your phone while driving and apparently even though you were not moving it is still an offence anyway, therefore if you pick up your phone when driving the offence has just been comitted ..... nonsense ....

Just like changing the cd or radio station IMO. !

Nigel wrote: Look at the good side ( I hope this is the same in Scotland), if they're allowing you to plead guilty by post, you aren't going to be banned, they like to do that in person.

Not gonna happen Nigel, I think they would be hard pushed to be honest to ban someone for that ....

Although I am admitting it, I am doing so under protest as I cannot argue the fact. I am however going to the HQ to ask to see the video though, so that I can be at peace with myself. I mean basically I was either 50 or 55 surely? Not an ... erm well he was around about 50 - 55 .... and if no video whos to say I was erm naw .... i was 30 - 35, it just stinks !!! lol

Andrew Rolland wrote: We should have a database on here for logging all the reggie numbers of plod cars, like they used to publish many moons ago in the Top Gear magazine.

What purpose did/would this serve.

No offence meant, i just don't see the point.
The illuminous decals, Blue lights on the roof and the word Police written on it are usually enough of a clue for me and if it's an unmarked car, by the time you've got your notebook out and crosschecked the reg no's PC Copper will be reading your rights

HairyHaggis wrote: Not gonna happen Nigel, I think they would be hard pushed to be honest to ban someone for that .... Although I am admitting it, I am doing so under protest as I cannot argue the fact. I am however going to the HQ to ask to see the video though, so that I can be at peace with myself. I mean basically I was either 50 or 55 surely? Not an ... erm well he was around about 50 - 55 .... and if no video whos to say I was erm naw .... i was 30 - 35, it just stinks !!! lol

Viewing the evidence now you've admitted the offence will as you say only be for your peace of mind. Even if you now found there is no evidence other than the plod's 'opinion', unless you are a wizard back-street barrister appearing in court or trying to contest it is futile, it's their word against yours and the PF will ALWAYS believe the boys in blue.

Yes it stinks, but so do the majority of speeding 'captures'. I attended court in Dumfries having been caught on camera doing 80 mph on the M74, that's 3 mph over the statutory guidelines (70 mph limit +10% for speedo error = max permissible of 77mph)

The camera operator swore on oath that he recognised me as the driver, from 9 months before and 900 metres away through a camera lens, and he targeted me as in his 'opinion' my vehicle was speeding. 

I tried to argue he couldn't possibly remember me from that far back in light of the number of vehicles he must have seen since. The prosecution came out with the memorable line 'Mr X is a trained operative with excellent recall, it is his job to remember drivers he observes breaking the law!'

Result? 6 points and a 60 quid fine.

m3tiko.

I have a £5 cigar lighter plugging in remore bluetooth handsfree speaker mike.

It allows me to put the phone in the glovebox of whatever vehicle I'm travelling in.

I've decided on that course of action, as you just cannot win to be honest, it is the opinion of the safety brigade, and a lot of police officers, that mobile phone use whilst driving a vehicle is worse than drink driving (as far driver performance goes), they seem to have statistics, as ever, to back this opinion up.

I cannot see the position improving for those of us (me included) that believe otherwise.

pauliexjr wrote: Yes it stinks, but so do the majority of speeding 'captures'. I attended court in Dumfries having been caught on camera doing 80 mph on the M74, that's 3 mph over the statutory guidelines (70 mph limit +10% for speedo error = max permissible of 77mph)

They are APCO guidelines, as far as I know, the clue is in the word "guideline"

The max you may do, on that road is 70, not 77, like it says on the sign.

You can, and people have, be reported for 71 in a 70, 31 in a 30 etc

It is a requirement that your speedo overreads, so it will (or should) be showing a higher speed than you are actually travelling at.

Speeding is a absolute offence, just exceeding the magic number means the offence is complete, you can only have mitigation.

Policemen ( providing you don't play the arse) are well know for descretion, scamera agencies are well know for being lieing thieving scumbags (in my own opinion of course).

If you know where you stand, it will make decision making easier for you.

And don't forget, evertime you speed, god kills a kitten AND strangles a duckling.

So think of the kittens and ducklings

Ham328 wrote: Andrew Rolland wrote: We should have a database on here for logging all the reggie numbers of plod cars, like they used to publish many moons ago in the Top Gear magazine. What purpose did/would this serve.  No offence meant, i just don't see the point. The illuminous decals, Blue lights on the roof and the word Police written on it are usually enough of a clue for me and if it's an unmarked car, by the time you've got your notebook out and crosschecked the reg no's PC Copper will be reading your rights

(A bit like why do we need road-angels to tell us about those big yellow boxes?)

Well there you have it folks, the letter thumped through the door.

Verdict of Procurator Fiscal Vs You .. (made me laff that bit)

6 penalty points & £200.00 fine ....

However, I can pay it off at £10.00 per week starting 28th January ... letter arrived today !!!

I did  for a brief few days have a clean license between 17th Jan and 21st lol