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Nick 
Bavarian-Board Contributor
BMWCC Area Organiser Yorks & Humber
Joined: 21-October-2002
Location: God’s own county... Yorkshire
Points: 1319
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 Posted: 21-November-2004 at 11:39 |
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Here are some of my views.. you have heard them many times before.
Q; Forum open to non members?
A; Absolutely yes.. it reaches out to far more people than we could have ever done before.
There is no need for a 'members only' section.. our magazine does that job.
Q; is £35 good value?
A; you bet.. You only get out of a club what you put in. If you are active within the club and actually organise or take part in events then you will get a lot out of it. I am afraid that if you expect us to provide a service and come along and entertain you then yes, you may be disappointed.
Q; Dont drive a BMW to events?
A; Nor do I, I tend to use the works van most of the time.. please don't exclude me!
better get back to Croft'05.. someone has to do it!!
Nick
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Nigel
Moderator Group
Joined: 09-November-2002
Points: 6941
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 12:16 |
I have wavered on the side of a members only section, but have now gone back to my original stance on a totally open forum.
Apart from Killians very well made point of who is going to sort it all out, this forum is a tool to encourage people to join the club.
We also get input from time to time from BMW franchise staff, and other independant proffesional people, we certainly dont want to lose that.
And as for your banning Stephen, I have lost count of the times I have warned you, and only not done it at the time as I see you as a good chap who gets a bit excited at times.
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Torch Str8 6
Really Senior Member I
Joined: 09-May-2004
Location: Elgin, Scotland
Points: 493
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 14:30 |
agree with P Fenwick
its pretty poor showing if u dont welcome people showing up to meets in a different make of car, they may have a genuine interest and wish to meet with the people to see wot sort of community it is and this may reflect there decision in buying another make of car and joining said community 
ive been along to the killdrummy meet and can say its a great bunch o peeps and the atmos was warm and friendly  even if the tea was a bit on the steep side LOL
i voted no btw 
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mell
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 07-July-2004
Location: up in the clouds far far away
Points: 3466
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 11:37 |
i think its pick on stephen thread!he was just asking a question and it seems hes getting slatted for it!
i am not a member was thinking about becoming one but to be honest didnt feel the need to at this moment in time,it wouldnt bother me if there was a members only section where only members could use,it would be a little perk for members that put money into the club.and as for people going on the section and talking about non members etc who cares!!! i can see some of stephens points and i can see others to,to me this site is starting to get a bit petty with banning people and locking threads etc are we not aloud to voice our opinons?i myself havnt been to a cruise or a meeting where it has been a certain make of vehicle other than what i own, even tho i am intrested in all makes of cars,i wouldnt say stop others coming to meets and joining in but within reason,i do take pride in my car and when it is a meet with other bmw car owners we appriciate and understand each others vehicle and respect our cars,if you get people there that are just being nosey etc it would cheese me off!!
thats my opinon for what it is worth,as i said i see it from both sides just dont think its kool when someone asks a question and everyone jumps on the ban waggon, after all were all here to help each other and make friends.
Edited by mell
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Peter Fenwick
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Joined: 27-August-2003
Location: Lost somewhere in time...
Points: 6484
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 12:56 |
 mell wrote:
to me this site is starting to get a bit petty with banning people and locking threads etc are we not aloud to voice our opinons?
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You can voice your opinions but you have to remain withing the forum guidelines. I do know what you mean though, but if there were no moderators or guidelines things would get out of hand. Most people who have been banned have deserved it.
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stephenperry
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Joined: 20-April-2004
Location: Elgin
Points: 7213
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 13:42 |
mell wrote:
i think its pick on stephen thread!he was just asking a question and it seems hes getting slatted for it!
i am not a member was thinking about becoming one but to be honest didnt feel the need to at this moment in time,it wouldnt bother me if there was a members only section where only members could use,it would be a little perk for members that put money into the club.and as for people going on the section and talking about non members etc who cares!!! i can see some of stephens points and i can see others to,to me this site is starting to get a bit petty with banning people and locking threads etc are we not aloud to voice our opinons?i myself havnt been to a cruise or a meeting where it has been a certain make of vehicle other than what i own, even tho i am intrested in all makes of cars,i wouldnt say stop others coming to meets and joining in but within reason,i do take pride in my car and when it is a meet with other bmw car owners we appriciate and understand each others vehicle and respect our cars,if you get people there that are just being nosey etc it would cheese me off!!
thats my opinon for what it is worth,as i said i see it from both sides just dont think its kool when someone asks a question and everyone jumps on the ban waggon, after all were all here to help each other and make friends.
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Thanks Mell 
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Joined: 02-April-2004
Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire
Points: 5301
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:01 |
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OK..
The purposes of a car club or owners club meet are, as far as I am
aware anyway, is to meet fellow members, discuss modification options,
maybe have a meal as a group or just a few drinks and generally learn
from each other everything from the good things to the bad things about
owning the particular marque involved.
Most meets are held in public areas, pub carparks and so on.
Now regardless as to whether the meet is advertised or not, the public
will inevitably be there....usually other people use the same pub as
you do and they also like to park their cars in the same parking area
too. It is perfectly normal for members of the public to wander
around the cars, talk to the owners, take photographs etc. Yes
they may be 'nosey' in some peoples view but for all you know, they
might actually buy a car of the marque based on what they see and find
out. They will always ask questions..some of which may be deemed
as 'stupid' to the owner but they are tolerated cos the public in
general don't know what owners of the cars do...if they did, they
wouldn't ask the question, would they?
To have a closed section on this site would be an administrative
nightmare, this we already know. To have meets in undisclosed
places..well erm..perhaps inside a local prison maybe? Cos thats the
only place, apart from within an MOD area that the public would not
have access to.
Which brings me to the crux of it. BMW owners, sometimes unfairly, are
branded as elitish and snobby and generally unpleasant people.
Untrue.
But if you clamp down on sites and meets, you will be playing right
into the mistaken idea that you are elitish, snobby and unpleasant.
On the administration being heavy with anyone, well, If you put your
fingers in the fire, you will get burned. Think about mouthing
off at people by all means, but leave it in your heads, do not transfer
those thoughts to a public site and then whinge when you are treated
with the contempt it deserves.
Be sensible and everyone will get on fine. Have opinions but use
your words wisely and put your point across in an adult way. Do
that and no-one would be banned or have threads locked.
Rant over.
Edited by Goldryder
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stephenperry
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Joined: 20-April-2004
Location: Elgin
Points: 7213
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:10 |
 <sigh> some people doth protest too much methinks, some really silly comments in that particular rant, its pretty pathetic really 
anyway, this "administrative nightmare" the status quo speak of....
heres a delightfully simple but elegant solution - all you do is have ONE extra line somewhere in the club magazine...
"This quarters password for the members section is..."
no correct password = no access
Edited by stephenperry
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spokey
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard
Joined: 02-March-2004
Location: United Kingdom
Points: 1948
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:12 |
mell wrote:
after all were all here to help each other and make friends. |
NOW you tell me! 
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spokey
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard
Joined: 02-March-2004
Location: United Kingdom
Points: 1948
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:17 |
Peter Fenwick wrote:
Most people who have been banned have deserved it. |
And the rest of them? 
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Joined: 02-April-2004
Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire
Points: 5301
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:19 |
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Simple questions....
Why are you so hell bent on a private section on this site?
It doesn't need one, the vote, albeit small, says it isn't wanted so why keep pushing for it?
To be perfectly honest here, if you are so unhappy with the way things are done on this site, why stay?
OK so you have had a few brushes with admin, live with it, deal with it
but don't use your frustrations flogging a very dead horse, put it to
more productive activities.
The site is fine as it is. Yes there are disagreements, but
hey...this CAR CLUB is one big family and with all big families you
will have frictions occasionally.
I'm not the one protesting here, I am not the one wanting a private section..you are.
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stephenperry
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Joined: 20-April-2004
Location: Elgin
Points: 7213
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:22 |
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Remind me... WHO keeps bringing it up again? not me!!
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