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M3AG
Really Senior Member II 7 series & e36 m3 registrar! (Madness) Joined: 17-October-2002 Location: Good Old Hertfordshire Status: Offline Points: 1644 |
Topic: Motorsport 635csi Posted: 09-February-2005 at 04:02 |
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=313 57&item=4525975487&rd=1
Looks good to me, does anybody know this car? |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 09-February-2005 at 07:30 | |||
Looks like the car that was at Donnington last year. Condition looks good for the mileage. Motorsport Editions are rare - only 181 allegedly. How "special" they are depends on your point of view (I'm biased!). They ticked most of the boxes on the options list; lsd, uprated suspension, M-Tech steering wheel, wheel arch spats, Sports seats & colour (mine's Misano Red) plus all the Highline features. |
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Grahame_Vincent
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-August-2004 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Status: Offline Points: 535 |
Posted: 09-February-2005 at 09:05 | |||
QUOTE "How "special" they are depends on your point of view (I'm biased!)." Not biased at all Andy, I had a lift in it the other night and have to say it was beautiful!!
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Grahame
2004 E46 325Ci Sport Coupe, Silver Grey with Black Leather and M Sports Pack II. Used to own:- 1995 E38 730i V8, Black, 18" Fox RS3's, Custom Tint Glass, with Silver Leather 1985 E30 316 Black http://www.villagephotos.com/pubgallery.asp?id_=1066854 |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 09-February-2005 at 11:34 | |||
Thanks, I have to agree I'm looking forward to seeing your 7 |
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 09-February-2005 at 11:58 | |||
A lot of highlines were of the same spec, without being motorsports. A chrome bumper is lighter and so is slightly quicker and slightly better on fuel. I am Biassed to, but to the chrome bumper cars. A nice motorsport though is a mighty fine car especially in Macau Blue |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 09-February-2005 at 13:11 | |||
Can't be. That one had rust coming up on the nearside wing.... |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 11-February-2005 at 06:27 | |||
There's a lot of myth about the weights of various E24 models. The chrome bumper models aren't much lighter than the Highlines at all. As you say, a lot of Highlines had Motorsport options but lot of pre-Highlines had most of the Highline options (less the leather dash & roof lining) too. The bumpers on the Highlines may look heavy but they're actually aluminium. Electric seats weigh a bit more but I've had them out & they aren't that heavy. The heaviest increase comes from choosing an autobox rather than manual. I've checked out the weights of the '82 to '89 Sixes & they only vary by 200lbs or so. I weigh more than that! In a car as heavy as a Six does having a passenger make a noticable difference to performance when you have 220bhp+ ? In a race car yes but not in a road car. As can be seen from the original CSL & the M3 CSL (& all the 911 lightweights) you have to junk an awful lot of stuff before it starts to make a noticeable difference. All those "lightweights" also had more power too. 635CSi Highline Motorsport Edition - Full Fat, High Caffine 80% proof ! |
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russnik
Newbie Joined: 26-January-2005 Location: cornwall Status: Offline Points: 13 |
Posted: 13-February-2005 at 13:07 | |||
I bought an 635 from this seller on ebay,he has quite a collection,had a e9 on there last week.im really pleased with mine,clean car just as he described.a pleasure to deal with.
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pma1ums
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-October-2004 Location: central uk Status: Offline Points: 1148 |
Posted: 13-February-2005 at 13:36 | |||
ive been looking to buy a an old 6 for quiet some time .but i really dont know the values of them .and this one in especialy ..seems to be maybe worth putting a bid in .but as i havent followed [as yet] the prices of them ...is this one over priced ?????? thanks for any info |
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its a dogs world out there
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 13-February-2005 at 14:30 | |||
Given that there's a fully restored one somewhere in Wales which is up for about nine grand, probably not... |
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Grahame_Vincent
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-August-2004 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Status: Offline Points: 535 |
Posted: 13-February-2005 at 17:20 | |||
Sorry Andy "Bruce" (my old 7) was part ex'd as part of the deal on my new car on Friday
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Grahame
2004 E46 325Ci Sport Coupe, Silver Grey with Black Leather and M Sports Pack II. Used to own:- 1995 E38 730i V8, Black, 18" Fox RS3's, Custom Tint Glass, with Silver Leather 1985 E30 316 Black http://www.villagephotos.com/pubgallery.asp?id_=1066854 |
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rallycross
Newbie Joined: 10-June-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 32 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 04:45 | |||
Wow that is a beauty. Surely has to be worth that sort of money, as long as the rust has not got into it. |
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Andyboy
Banned User Joined: 04-June-2003 Status: Offline Points: 707 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 06:07 | |||
633CSi = 1460kg
635CSi = 1480kg (E12 based 78-82) 635CSi = 1453kg (E28 based 82-88) M635CSi = 1507kg 628CSi = 1438kg 635CSi Auto Highline = 1576kg M635CSi Highline =1570kg Jaguar XJS V12 Auto 1693kg :-) Autos weigh about 20 kilos more due to the weight of the autobox/torque converter. |
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M3AG
Really Senior Member II 7 series & e36 m3 registrar! (Madness) Joined: 17-October-2002 Location: Good Old Hertfordshire Status: Offline Points: 1644 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 06:35 | |||
well it went for £3.5k
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Jonners
Really Senior Member II Joined: 23-September-2003 Status: Offline Points: 601 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 13:26 | |||
Great info AndyBoy - so the highline m635 is 63 kilos more than a non highline - about 140lbs in old money - that's a significant difference
might not be that noticeable if you're not hugely performance orientated but it's not just the acceleration - the handling will suffer too added to which if i understand things properly the ecu on highlines had the US setting which produced less power... |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 13:30 | |||
It was the M635CSi "Highline" where this has cropped up. A number of UK examples were found to be working on about 240 to 250hp (US setting is nominally 256hp), instead of the full 286.... The standard 12v "Highlines" were not, as far as I have been able to determine, so affected. |
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 19:31 | |||
I have a chrome bumper 635 and I got tired of the chrome bits rusting. So I went out and bought some second-hand aluminium 'highline' bumpers, intending to modify them with wrap-round bits so they resemble the style of the chrome bumpers a bit better. Aluminium will be very light and corrosion resistant, I thought to myself. Well, this turned out to be a stupid idea. Although they could have been very lightweight, they are nothing of the sort. The aluminium bumpers are HEAVY, really really really HEAVY because they are made of very thick material and are designed to meet US spec parking lot collisions. I think most of the weight gain in the highlines comes from these fat so-and-sos, and the rest comes from the electric seats, the self-levelling suspension, rear air-con and the leather dashboard etc etc. All of which I can live without quite happily thank you, especially if it tots up to 120kg+. To put this into perspective this is about the same as the weight of the 6 cylinder engine in the new 6-series. Around a race track, this much extra weight would be like be like losing 20bhp or more. All 12V highlines have a lower compression engine and a slightly hotter cam than the earlier cars. Although peak power and torque are comparable with earlier engines there is going to be a smaller area beneath the torque curve. This plus the extra weight means they are mostly fitted with a shorter diff ratio to keep the acceleration reasonable, but this probably has a negative impact on the fuel consumption. Despite the drawbacks of the chrome bumpers, I'd not trade mine for a highline spec; but hey, each to his own, eh.... cheers
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 15-February-2005 at 12:26 | |||
You certainly wouldn't want to drop one on your foot. And I'll give you the electric seats too (even though they were available on pre-Highlines). But self-levelling suspension & rear air-con? Not on my Highline. And how heavy do you think leather is? They add up but are still only a passengers weight & won't make a noticable difference on the road. As for engine/transmission the earlier versions were 218bhp @ 5200, 228lb/ft @4000, 10.0-1 comp & 32.2mph/1000rpm. Highlines were 220bhp @ 5700, 232lb/ft @ 4000, 9.2-1 comp & 27.3mph/1000rpm. This was the cat-ready spec. It could have been worse, the E34 535 was down to 211bhp! At least using unleaded is no problem. |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 15-February-2005 at 13:29 | |||
You and everyone else, Brucey......
Oh dear.....!
The Yanks don't call them "Park Benches" for nothing. You've learnt your lesson now, I take it
The only drawback is fragility. And besides, I like chrome..... |
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Jonners
Really Senior Member II Joined: 23-September-2003 Status: Offline Points: 601 |
Posted: 15-February-2005 at 14:07 | |||
That extra weight will make a difference on the road - the question is whether you will notice
don't forget it's not just a question of power to weight ratio/acceleration a heavier car on the same suspension is running softer suspension and over a hundred pound will make a difference hurling a heavier car around corners is asking more of the suspension and tyres so the handling suffers heavier = bad news as i've said before leather dashboards are for hairdressers |
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