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sharon.... 
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 Topic: what do you think?????
Posted: 04-July-2005 at 16:51 |
hi guys
iv got a 1981 323i e21 and its a minta
do you think id spoil it if i had it chipped??
i want it faster
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look....cut the cr4p and show us ya willy
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Jason e21 nut
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Posted: 06-July-2005 at 01:18 |
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Hi
You can not chip an e21 as they are mechanicla injection.
Faster is possible, easy route bigger swap to efi and put in a 2.5 from a later e30. Then it is onto big engien builds, mine is a 2.7 with tripple webbers ported head and shrick cam about 250BHP. But yoy would also want to upgrade the suspension adn brakes.
Jason
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eta.
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Posted: 06-July-2005 at 05:18 |
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These folks specialise in tuning the older BM's:-
Fritz’s bits no is 01823 669425 (Richard)
www.fritzsbits.co.uk
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sharon....
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Posted: 06-July-2005 at 07:32 |
i wonder why they sell them for mine!!!
already had it tuned and its running as good as it should on unleaded.
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look....cut the cr4p and show us ya willy
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Pete330
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Posted: 07-July-2005 at 14:54 |
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I would not spoil that fine example
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Previous:
E36 318is coupe, E36 323i coupe, E30 316 saloon, E30 318 saloon, E46 330ci Sport Conv
E92 325d M Sport(3.0),With Loads of gadgets
Current:
116i Sport F20
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chippeduk
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Posted: 07-July-2005 at 19:37 |
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As above, totally not chippable.
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jayson@chippeduk.com
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 03:22 |
Whether modifying it will spoil it is a subjective point. I would say no, go for it, but purists would disagree.
At the end of the day it's your car. If you want to make it faster go for it!
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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chippeduk
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 03:55 |
on this car a simple mod like the ported throttle body would help and keep the car standard looking.
mods like this a perfect for the stealth look.
you can get them from alpina527@aol.com
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jayson@chippeduk.com
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kbannon
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 04:24 |
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Jayson, does he do various TB jobs or just M52 conversions?
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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE
1997 E39 523i
2003 E39 525i Sport Individual
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chippeduk
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 04:28 |
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he does them for many cars both conversions and the throttle body itself.
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jayson@chippeduk.com
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Streetcar_Nitro
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 06:13 |
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Should be able to add and extra 50hp no problem with a single injector nitrous system and 100hp with multi-point injection and a controller.
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chippeduk
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 06:19 |
not really, these engines normally need a 75 shot to get things going.
its very wierd as a 50 shot on bmws often gives no realy feel of improvement whereas a 75 shot will make it seem like all hell has broke loose (well not quite but it is very noticable)
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Streetcar_Nitro
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 06:23 |
Don't know which cars you've tried, but a 25 shot made quite a huge difference to a 318is auto. He's now running a 50 shot and is coming back next week to have a controller fitted and re-jetted to 75.
Guess it depends on how it's been set up.
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chippeduk
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 06:36 |
ive fitted around 30 kits to different engines and the 4 pot is a world appart too the 6 pots.
are you refering too 25hp through direct port or into the manifold ?
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brybusa
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 06:38 |
So if a 50 shot of Nitrous isnt much noticeable , a TB on its own isnt going to offer naff all....??
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Streetcar_Nitro
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 06:39 |
25 with single injector.
What kits did you fit?
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chippeduk
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 06:46 |
wizzards kits.
brybusa, its not about the amount of air like the throttle body, its about the lack of extra power from such a small shot of gas on a 6 pot engine.
im not knocking gas for a second, i have run it in many cars, the point is that on a 6 pot you need more gas to feel it happen.
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jayson@chippeduk.com
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Streetcar_Nitro
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 06:56 |
Can't quite get your logic there, 25hp to a car with 135hp is still a gain whether they have 4 or 6 cylinders.
Is the torque outpur worse on the 6 or is it significantly heavier or something?
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chippeduk
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 07:06 |
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whos kits do you use ?
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jayson@chippeduk.com
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Streetcar_Nitro
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Posted: 08-July-2005 at 07:18 |
Wizards too.
Certainly with the 6 it would be better to go for direct port injection to give better distribution.
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what do you think?????