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Points: 6381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-April-2005 at 17:11
Originally posted by Doive Doive wrote:

...I'm an Irish immigrant...



Up the Irish!

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...VOTE BNP there the only ones who are fighting the real causes.



Perhaps they'll re-introduce proper spelling and grammar.

Never mind: I'm sure it'll be all WHITE on the night

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Originally posted by MTEC530D MTEC530D wrote:

 

VOTE BMP there the only ones who are fighting the real causes. There leader's charge of inciting Racial Hatered isn't racist he's just saying what most true Brits are thinking. Even my grandma who incidently has never said a racist word in her life now wants all the imigrants stopped she never went through a war to feed these bar stewards.

 

The BNP are racist. They might be trying to put a more acceptable front on the party to win votes but underneath it all they are the worst of all the parties by some margin. Repatriation for anyone who isn't white!!!! In other words get them all out of our country, even though most non whites were born here and have as much right to be here as you. Please!? Angry  If you believe they aren't a racist party then you are very foolish indead!

Why are immigrants bar stewards!!??

You mean the imigrants that are propping up our NHS.

This country is a nation of imigrants.

Some of them will undoubtably be coming here under false pretenses, and these people shouldn't be allowed in, but skilled workers, coming here to fill jobs that are needed and people who have a genuine case for assylum should be allowed in. They can make room by kicking out the BNP.

Just remeber how Hitler got into power in the 30's. People who say 'it couldn't happen here' should pay a great deal of attention to the BNP.
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Points: 6381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-April-2005 at 15:12
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

....Just remeber how Hitler got into power in the 30's. People who say 'it couldn't happen here' should pay a great deal of attention to the BNP.



True, but there are people out there in the WCUK electorate who do want a 21st-century Nazi-style state, safe in the knowledge that their skin colour protects them.

Perhaps "MTEC530D" is one of those people? There are more of them than you might think, Peter.

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Watch the post content please, racism is bad enough - let's not have it on here..
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Points: 15508 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-April-2005 at 18:55
Originally posted by Horsetan Horsetan wrote:

Originally posted by Doive Doive wrote:

...I'm an Irish immigrant...



Up the Irish!
Apparently Tony Bliar is descended from the North West of Ireland [Donegal] so all I can say to you lot in the UK is ...

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Coincidentally so is Daniel O'Donnell - I wonder who would make the better Prime Minister?
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i ain't 100% racist, a guy that worls for me is black as midnight and he shares same views as me about imigrants coming into this country. I JUST BELIEVE THAT IF THEY COME TO THIS COUNTRY THEY SHOULD BE HERE FOR A REASON AND NOT TO SPONGE OUR MONEY OF THIS COUNTRY. Are you an imigrant peter? you just seem to be the main person arguing there corner on here.

But on the other hand i feel exactly the same about people who leave this country to go to other countries and sponge of there state it is just the same only we have more here than any other country i'm sure.

 
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Points: 6381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-April-2005 at 10:19
Originally posted by Doive Doive wrote:

Coincidentally so is Daniel O'Donnell - I wonder who would make the better Prime Minister?


Oh God, not Daniel O'Donnell! He's here on his "Rock and Roll Tour".....

BTW, have you seen the "Night of the Nearly Dead" episode from "Father Ted"? The Eoin McLove character is modelled on......Daniel O'Donnell

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Points: 6381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-April-2005 at 10:30
Originally posted by MTEC530D MTEC530D wrote:

i ain't 100% racist...



But nearly there, nonetheless?

No doubt you've seen the "Are Ye Right There, Father Ted?" episode which was a wonderfully-surreal mix of Nazis, Chinese.....and the people of Craggy Island

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a guy that works for me is black as midnight and he shares same views as me about imigrants...



Y e e e e e s s s, this is in the same vein as "I'm not anti-Semitic; some of my best friends are Jewish", etc....

What I have noticed is that there are sections of the, shall we say "non-white", WCUK population whose views on immigrants are even more racist than the "indigenous" whites. Unless, of course, it concerns relatives and extended family, at which point "Keep 'em out" suddenly metamorphoses into "Bring 'em all in". Funny, that.

Keep it coming! I've had more fun on this thread than just about any other so far.....


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P.S. I happen to be a Solicitor specialising in Immigration Law, but don't let that....errm... "colour" your views

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Points: 6484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-April-2005 at 11:39
Originally posted by MTEC530D MTEC530D wrote:

 Are you an imigrant peter? you just seem to be the main person arguing there corner on here.

No really no, although strictly speaking my mother imigrated here form Ireland and my father is desended form Anglo Saxons who imigrated here hundreds of years ago.

I'm arguing their corner because i think this whole imigrant issue is a distraction from the real problems in this country. It has been blown out of all proportion by news papers like the Daily Mail for reasons I don't really understand, although I suspect it has racist origins. 

Would it be a problem if I was an imigrant?? 

If you're not a racist then you shouldn't even consider voting for the BNP since they are most definately racist. Not only that, they are anti gay, anti womens rights and believb a womans place is in the home.

If they got into power they would also repatriate your black friend back to the country of his or his parents origin, in other words kick him out of the country. 

 
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Personally I find it sad that Mal and countless others would feel they have no choice but to vote for parties with questionable moral stances. But when you see how the main parties behave, well sadly its hardly surprising is it?

Blair and his cronies lied time and time again over Iraq, they have screwed up the way of life for many people since 1997. Time for a change, most definately. The Tories are on the back foot purely cos of the mess and the disorganised way they have been run since 1997 and to be frank about it, they don't have enough time to sort themselves out let alone run the country and make promises before the election next week. The Liberal Democrats seem to be heading in the right direction but can't substantiate their promises with hard facts in the financial side of things.

The BNP may not be to everyones taste, but as a democracy how can anyone have the right to question an individual's choice in the direction they vote, if the main parties can't get their acts together?

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Points: 6381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-April-2005 at 06:57
Originally posted by Goldryder Goldryder wrote:

...The Liberal Democrats seem to be heading in the right direction...


...including proportional representation? That idea has never really been dropped.

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Originally posted by Goldryder Goldryder wrote:

The BNP may not be to everyones taste, but as a democracy how can anyone have the right to question an individual's choice in the direction they vote, if the main parties can't get their acts together?

I am stunned at this comment!

I would and will continue to question any one who chooses to vote for the BNP. The main parties do have their problems but the BNP are a vile organisation of ingnorant fools who's views scare me. These are the kind of people who spread hatred and violence against people who are not white.
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Points: 5301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 11:19
Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Originally posted by Goldryder Goldryder wrote:

The BNP may not be to everyones taste, but as a democracy how can anyone have the right to question an individual's choice in the direction they vote, if the main parties can't get their acts together?


I am stunned at this comment!


I would and will continue to question any one who chooses to vote for the BNP. The main parties do have their problems but the BNP are a vile organisation of ingnorant fools who's views scare me. These are the kind of people who spread hatred and violence against people who are not white.



Thats as maybe Peter and I agree with your sentiment but unfortunately when you see and hear lies and inuendos about the main three parties, no-one can blame anyone making a 'protest' vote with the likes of the BNP, no matter how distasteful this might be to others. If people are so discouraged to vote for a main party, then there are very few others that they can choose from and seeing as immigration, rightly or wrongly, seems to be a leading argument then BNP is going to be the natural choice for those who are fed up of how things are.
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Originally posted by Goldryder Goldryder wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Originally posted by Goldryder Goldryder wrote:

The BNP may not be to everyones taste, but as a democracy how can anyone have the right to question an individual's choice in the direction they vote, if the main parties can't get their acts together?


I am stunned at this comment!


I would and will continue to question any one who chooses to vote for the BNP. The main parties do have their problems but the BNP are a vile organisation of ingnorant fools who's views scare me. These are the kind of people who spread hatred and violence against people who are not white.



Thats as maybe Peter and I agree with your sentiment but unfortunately when you see and hear lies and inuendos about the main three parties, no-one can blame anyone making a 'protest' vote with the likes of the BNP, no matter how distasteful this might be to others. If people are so discouraged to vote for a main party, then there are very few others that they can choose from and seeing as immigration, rightly or wrongly, seems to be a leading argument then BNP is going to be the natural choice for those who are fed up of how things are.


Time to emigrate, methinks....

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I've seen 2 of the three main parties in power and niether have done me nore my families any good infact they have made life worse in alot of ways. the whole political thing does my head in If you look back in time all wars have been started by either politics or religeon neither of which i have any time for  and like ally says when you have no faith left in main political parties ho else do you vote for. Believe me if lord such was still about i would vote for raving looney party. m maybe thats ho the liberals have modeled them selves on.!! maybe its time i shifted my vote to liberal instead of BNP it might be a laff.
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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

[I am stunned at this comment!

I would and will continue to question any one who chooses to vote for the BNP. The main parties do have their problems but the BNP are a vile organisation of ingnorant fools who's views scare me. These are the kind of people who spread hatred and violence against people who are not white.

Only violence against non whites, surely government by threats and physical force will use the same methods on ANYONE who disagrees with them. Much as dislike Blair and think the tories and libdems are in disarry I won't vote BNP!
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I am not voting BNP either, wouldn't give them the time of day but by the same token, I can see why people do cos in certain areas the main parties have left some people very discouraged. Its a shame that a party such as the BNP is the only place some people feel they can turn towards but thats politics. Like most things in life you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time.
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Originally posted by Goldryder Goldryder wrote:

I am not voting BNP either, wouldn't give them the time of day but by the same token, I can see why people do cos in certain areas the main parties have left some people very discouraged. Its a shame that a party such as the BNP is the only place some people feel they can turn towards but thats politics. Like most things in life you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time.


BNP represent a dis-enfranchised segment of the society. But the cause of  dis-enfranchisement is rooted in the class structure of the society where only certain "segments" of the society are allowed to flourish.

The conditions of the working classes during the industrial revolution days were appalling. The situation was no better even as late as the fifites. Women had no vote until the 1920 even though the magna carta proclaiming rights for larger segments was declared in the 16th century (mind you it wasn't anywhere close to democracy at all, but in the right direction!). This bad treatment of fellow citizens was meeted out by our own "fellow" citizens. Immigrants had nothing to do with these "ills" of the society.

The point is even if we hypothesise a situation of "zero immigrants", it will still not alter the conditions for the "dis-enfranchised". The status-qo where "working classes" remain working classes, and the monarchy (and privileged classes!) enjoying a life of luxury while others toil,  will persist. That is where the BNP logic is "illogical" that somehow getting rid of immigrants will dramatically alter the conditions of the lives of those they represent. That is plain stupidity of its followers to think so...and equally stupid of the BNP to propagate such a myth ! 

Compared with the past, the lives for majority has been improved dramatically in the present times.  But this has come about only from modern progressive politics with idealogies that everyone can play a part in the society, irrespective of wherever they originate from ,  if societies are built on the foundations of inclusiveness !




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