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A dog leg gearbox is an unusual manual transmission layout, an up-over-up shift between first and second gear resembling the hind leg of a dog.

R  2  4       1  3  5
|  |  |       |  |  |
---N---       ---N---
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1  3  5       2  4  R
Dog leg     More common 
pattern     "H" pattern

Dog leg layout gearboxes are usually found on performance automobiles because in road racing it is rare to shift into first gear other than for the initial start or exiting a pit lane.

Notable street cars to feature the dog leg layout are the BMW M535 and (Non-US) M3 E30, Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 and 2.5-16, Porsche 914, early 911, 924 Turbo (all featuring Getrag gearboxes), Talbot Sunbeam Lotus and the Lamborghini Miura. A non-performance car to feature such a shift pattern is the Subaru 360. Also: Datsun 160J Hardtop SSS. A dog leg transmission has also been seen in odd places such as a 1980 Datsun 210 Wagon built during the 210/310 crossover or a Citroen 2CV. The mid 70's Oldsmobile Cutlass with the 260 V8 had an optional 5 speed transmission that utilized the dog leg shift pattern.

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Originally posted by dryle dryle wrote:

A dog leg gearbox is an unusual manual transmission layout, an up-over-up shift between first and second gear resembling the hind leg of a dog.

R  2  4       1  3  5
| | | | | |
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Dog leg More common
pattern "H" pattern

Dog leg layout gearboxes are usually found on performance automobiles because in road racing it is rare to shift into first gear other than for the initial start or exiting a pit lane.

Notable street cars to feature the dog leg layout are the BMW M535 and (Non-US) M3 E30, Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 and 2.5-16, Porsche 914, early 911, 924 Turbo (all featuring Getrag gearboxes), Talbot Sunbeam Lotus and the Lamborghini Miura. A non-performance car to feature such a shift pattern is the Subaru 360. Also: Datsun 160J Hardtop SSS. A dog leg transmission has also been seen in odd places such as a 1980 Datsun 210 Wagon built during the 210/310 crossover or a Citroen 2CV. The mid 70's Oldsmobile Cutlass with the 260 V8 had an optional 5 speed transmission that utilized the dog leg shift pattern.



Whoops! My bad, I always referred to a dogleg as a gearbox that has reverse beside first gear...
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Originally posted by Mick525i Mick525i wrote:

My 65 year old uncle drives one

Nice car though.

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They are basically an 850, and everyone knows that car. I love my car anyway, I don't care if it's an ould geezer's car! My S70 cost IRL£45,000 new!!
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" They are basically an 850, and everyone knows that car. I love my car anyway, I don't care if it's an ould geezer's car! My S70 cost IRL£45,000 new!! "

And is probably worth anywhere between 1500 quid and 3 grand now!!  Great car to buy second hand, not so much to buy one new!

 

 

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Originally posted by Ben O Brien Ben O Brien wrote:


And is probably worth anywhere between 1500 quid and 3 grand now!!  Great car to buy second hand, not so much to buy one new!

 

 



And you're point being?? I obviously didn't buy it new so I don't really care... You will find that pretty much every Volvo with the exception of the XC90 has terrible residuals.


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Is yours a 5 cylinder, 635? I love the sound of them!
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Volvo Volvo

as I said,,,   driven by older gents more mature in there years.....boring cars yawn yawn.

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Originally posted by T.J. T.J. wrote:

Is yours a 5 cylinder, 635? I love the sound of them!


Yep, all S70's are 5 cylinders. The engine note is one of the best things about the car imo.


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I think two of the best things in a volvo are the seats. I wish BMW would make seats as good as the swedes.
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Originally posted by larzyh larzyh wrote:

I think two of the best things in a volvo are the seats. I wish BMW would make seats as good as the swedes.


Yes, definitely, especially when they're heated! You should also try SAAB's seats, they are sublimely comfortable.
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You're right and I have, that's why I generalised it into swedish seats not only Volvo; my uncle in Denmark has a 9-5 Aero and the seats are indeed superb.
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Originally posted by larzyh larzyh wrote:

You're right and I have, that's why I generalised it into swedish seats not only Volvo; my uncle in Denmark has a 9-5 Aero and the seats are indeed superb.


I wonder if a Koenigsegg is as comfortable as Volvo's and SAAB's??
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Was leaving my wife's Saab up to AC this morning to get it serviced, great to drive it in this weather, heated leather seats and a slush box, Like driving a couch! 
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Originally posted by aubergine aubergine wrote:

Was leaving my wife's Saab up to AC this morning to get it serviced, great to drive it in this weather, heated leather seats and a slush box, Like driving a couch! 


Is it a 9-3 or a 9-5 or an old school SAAB?? I've always had a hankering after an old 900 Turbo, they are literally the coolest car on the road!
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an old 900 Turbo, they are literally the coolest car on the road!


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Originally posted by lesurely lesurely wrote:

Volvo Volvo

as I said,,,   driven by older gents more mature in there years.....boring cars yawn yawn.



You might want to have a spin in our S60, has the old 850T5R engine in there, real jeckel and hyde, pops and bangs on the overrun, lovely 5cyl scowl at high revs, loves to murder pups in scoobys, type R's and the other old mans car - the E39......(M5 excepted) and is supremely comfortable on long journeys. Having said that, is completely at sea on any corner and the steering is definitely by rudder !
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Is it a 9-3 or a 9-5 or an old school SAAB?? I've always had a hankering after an old 900 Turbo, they are literally the coolest car on the road!
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Originally posted by lesurely lesurely wrote:

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havent posted in a few months on the road a lot with work and still no net at home, anyway time has come to change the 318is for a diesel. Took this out for a spin today a very smooth ride, the car is in mint condition full bmwsh and was very impressed, except for one thing, i was not happy when changing gears there was a clunk noise as you let out the clutch, let the window down and the noise was very noticeable other than this the engine purred away. Any comments on what this could be. I do very much like this car but if it is a gearbox job in 7 months just after the warrantee runs out Oouch

well have you decided whether you are getting the car, seeing as we have gone on to saab and volvo's

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Originally posted by dryle dryle wrote:

well have you decided whether you are getting the car, seeing as we have gone on to saab and volvo's

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Good luck, lesurely.
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