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    Posted: 08-May-2003 at 18:50
As for the 525 chip option, no offence intended, but that suggestion is frankly bollocks and the friendly foreman needs a good slapping  - if he want's to improve his 325, then he needs to get a 325 remapping.  Period.  A 525 and a 325 are soo different, that inbreeding of ECU chips is just ridiculous to suggest.  The improvements to the car would all be done by a 325 chip no problem.  Only if the car was SERIOUSLY modified, would it then be sensible to consider a CUSTOM chip, not a 525 chip.  Rant over.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-May-2003 at 18:45

Actually, I'm older and wiser in the bimmer world since that was posted - differences between the E36 323i and 325i are as follows:

1   323 has an Aluminium block, 325 has Steel block

2   323 has restricted throttle body and traction control thingy

3   323 has single tail-pipe exhaust, 325 has twin

4   323 has a taller gearing ratio, meaning a higher top speed but slower acceleration

5   ECU Mapping

And that is where the 22 bhp diferrence comes from, bearing in mind that they are both 2494cc, 24 valve 6 potters!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2003 at 09:08
Quote: Originally posted by RichB on 06-March-2003

I'm trying desperately to find out what difference there is between the E36 325 and the E36 which means that we "only" have 170 bhp and the lucky 325 owners have 192bhp.  Same engine capacity etc.  The 323 is newer and "detuned".

So it SHOULD be easier for us to tune our 323s in the first place.  But 323s are neglected over the 325 for tuning parts generally.  Is it a question of ECU mapping or something else?  Any ideas Grimesj, or anybody else???


  If it is just a case of ECU mapping and cams etc. the BMW ECU's have the facility to be remapped up to 11 times, it might be possible to remap the ECU with 325 perameters.

I know with my 325 I went to see my friend who is the foreman at our local dealer and he said if I did modifications such as induction and exhaust kits he could put the 525 software into my 325 ECU throwing in a little extra fuel and giving more torque lower down as the ECU thinks its pulling a heavier car.

Probably best for you to talk to either Active Autowerke or Turner Motorsport in the states as they seem to tune more 323's there.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-April-2003 at 17:59

hi m8 , sorry all about the 2 posts but it didnt show up at first so i rewrote it .

the throttle boddies are the same size on all models 320, 323, 325 , 328.

so is the air filter box on all models including the m3 as i gave my new air filter to my m8 with a m3 and worked perfect.

i have a k&n filter that is for the 325 that was in my 320 for about a month b4 i sold the car that will fit yours, you can have it for a tenna m8 looks unused.this gives about and upto 5bhp ,i used a m3 air conversion on my car, the part from the airbox to the front grills plus a tube down to the brake air cooling vents on the bumper,genuine part from bmw. doubles the air intake.

the chip is different as this is the part that controls fuel air mix,rpm etc.so just get it chipped as a 323 and gives you about 10-15 bhp and about 10% more torque

exhaust ,,, you gonna like this, easy.  the system is the same for the 320 and 323 , but  if you get a 328 cat and back box from a breakers , check probes are in the same place as yours , bingo straight swap as the headers are all the same size, you get better flow though the twin cat and twin tail pipes .you should get around another 4 to 8 hp from this too .

just to round it up

airbox 5 bhp  exhuast say 5 hp to be realistic and chip say 10 hp =20bhp plus if you use super or optimax even better.

and all this looks like when you buy the car. mine was still under warrenty

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-April-2003 at 17:39

the difference in block does matter if you have a 96 to 98 6 cyl because of a problem with nickosil plating on the bores.later cars e46 and early pre 96 dont have this problem ...m50 engine.

cheep fuel that we use in the uk gave  premature wear of this lining . i had it on my 96 cab facelift model with the m52 engine. my advice is to get it checked at bmw to see if you have the new block.

mine was under warrenty so i saved thousands.

the head is not a issue i dont think.

contact birds http://www.birds.uk.com/ or phone them ...great bunch and can help loads.

they spent half an hour on the phone and talked me out off upgradeing mine because i would see much difference.

exhaust on the 323, 320 is the same.   

your exhaust if a single can be swapped for the twin very easy. get a 328 cat and rear box from a breakers, i know a guy that did this and saw a good improvement in power . the same guy got me a m3 evo back box and converted to fit mine but it just looked and sounded good . the other option is best. best thing is it lookes standard, and you improve exhaust breathing.

i have a k&n off my cab that is for the 325 and that worked great , i sold my car and still have it so i sell it you if u like for a tenna plus it looks brand new.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-April-2003 at 08:04

Cheers Skull,

That's interesting, I read on a thread on here that the differences were the throttle bodies, exhaust, chip and the block was steel not alloy.

What do you reckon?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-April-2003 at 23:55

you can use nearly all parts for the 323 off the 325 its just the cams that are different and ecu.

from 320 to 328 the air box filter and other parts are the same size . i used a 325 performance filter in my e36 320  96 facelift model and got it chiped.

only diff is top end pull is stronger and revs cleaner.

hope this helps.

all my info is from 5 years of owning bmw's and the same spent on the internet doing reserch. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-March-2003 at 09:46
Quote: Originally posted by Malc on 10-March-2003

If one were to fit an induction kit to presumably increase the volume of air entering the manifold, would that not lean out the mixture if it were not corrected ?  AND ........how would one correct it in a '93 325i coupe ?


The ECU can cope with any increase in air flow from fitting the kit. It's often recommended that following fitting of a kit, you disconnect the battery for ~1 hour and then reconnect it which triggers the ECU to 'relearn' it's engine ensuring there is no lean running.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-March-2003 at 18:04

£49 to be precise.  It's not particularly excessive - a pair ordered from Larkspeed;  "2 or 3 days to come in to stock".  Should be o.k. to fit them myself too, despite being a bit green as a mechanic.  Believe it or not, I have a video going back 8 years or so about car maintenace, presented by Tiff Needell!  It shows brake pad changes, so a quick recap should do it!!

I had a search of "Greenstuff Pads" on the virgin.net website.  It threw up a link to the Lexus Owners Club web page forum and all the 200 and 300 owners were signing the praises of Greenstuff like they were on a commission, which gave me confidence to spend £50 on new pads.  The standard ones faded badly an hour into a 12 Car Road Rally............

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-March-2003 at 13:12

Yello,

Yep, I paid £40 odd for a set for the better half's 'scort.

Cheers Malc............

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-March-2003 at 13:01
Larkspeed, here in Hull have quoted £50 for supply of a pair of Greenstuff pads for my car.  Does that sound about right??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-March-2003 at 11:07

Yello,

>>  http://www.autojapspares.co.uk/Homepage/BrakePads.htm

This link shows the EBC range of pads for cars.......  I've used the 'Greenstuff' pads before and they are just great.

Cheers Malc.................

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-March-2003 at 18:33
Oh and I reckon it's probably recommended that people don't ever simply include an induction kit without altering the mix via a tuner.  Otherwise the performance mod they want will have an adverse effect...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-March-2003 at 18:31

Sorry about the bad writing before; very poor Rich...

Thanks for the brakes info Malc; not heard of EBC HH sintered pads.  Can you tell me more?

Anybody else any ideas????

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-March-2003 at 14:25

Yello RichB,

Sorry I wasn't trying to be a smart a*se ............I was simply wondering if the BMW has a fueling system that can sense and adjust to correct lean / rich conditions, or whether the mixture is basically controlled by a chip. It would be my concern to install and induction kit and maybe an exhaust system, without knowing how the system will react to them. NEVER want to run lean !

RichB........On my motorcycles I always use EBC HH sintered pads as an upgrade.  They give much more initial bite at the expense of a little more disc wear.  I think they're similar in makeup to the Greenstuff pads.  I can't tell you how they'd be in a BMW though.  

Cheers Malc.........

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-March-2003 at 13:21

Short answer seems to be that they don't really know.  Partly due to the fact that there aren't that many paople out there with our enigne, and the ones that do don't know the specific differences.

A firend of mine used to work for BMW and was a bit of a tech ehad.  I'll see what he knows when I catch up with him next and let you know if I get anything useful.

So suggestions to the floor.  I have a totally std car on 15s.  Apart from removing the bootlid badge t'other day!  Sbtle performance mod suggestions anyone???  I want to improve my front brakes to, but at a budget(!)  On suggestions as to what performance brakes and pads I should using and what costs?  The Demon Tweeks catalogue just loses me on brakes y'see.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-March-2003 at 10:49

Oh well.

Ta for the staggering technical in depth response.............I guess no one wants to talk about induction kits.

I'll get me coat.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-March-2003 at 15:17

Yello,

Newbie question alert ! 

If one were to fit an induction kit to presumably increase the volume of air entering the manifold, would that not lean out the mixture if it were not corrected ?  AND ........how would one correct it in a '93 325i coupe ?

Cheers Malc........

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-March-2003 at 18:05

I totally agree with webdunk as long as it fits and allows enough air through then use it.  So if the diameters are the same as the 325 you will have no problems.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2003 at 20:10

"Although the engine is apparently the same as the 325i for which there is an induction kit available, Demon Tweeks tell me that their must be differences, or the manufacturers would sell a kit for the 323i".

I'm trying desperately to find out what difference there is between the E36 325 and the E36 which means that we "only" have 170 bhp and the lucky 325 owners have 192bhp.  Same engine capacity etc.  The 323 is newer and "detuned".

So it SHOULD be easier for us to tune our 323s in the first place.  But 323s are neglected over the 325 for tuning parts generally.  Is it a question of ECU mapping or something else?  Any ideas Grimesj, or anybody else???

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