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    Posted: 20-September-2004 at 08:29

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-September-2004 at 08:41

E34 all the way, but then I could be accused of being biased....

E12 The early M 535i - you should have included that too as it was really the first pass at an icon.

E28 is a lot of fun and is probably the more raw driving experience, wouldn't like to run one as a daily driver - bit too harsh.

E39? I've not driven one but possibly too much electrickery on board. Would love to have a go....

E60, it's the new M5, it's gotta be good!

I wouldn't mind one of each in the fantasy garage....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-September-2004 at 12:02
Not convinced by the newer car, it lacks the classy understated appeal of the E39, abit too squinty-eyed cheap Jap-crap boy-racing rice rocket impression., take away the badge and those (rather tasty) alloys and what are you left with ? some tacky M3 fins and a quadruplet of exhausts resembling that goofy cartoon character..?

Nope, it simply won't do and i'll be looking towards AMG next time round,. Its a step backwards for BMW., not everyone (whom such a fast executive car could potentially appeal to) are of the 'balls-out 9000rpm civic type-R' disposition., and this new V10 lacks lower end torque (way down on the V8 until it hits around 5500rpm) meaning E39-like 2nd gear 2000rpm neck-snapping darts thru traffic cutting up taxi drivers & peasantry dissipation along backroads in 5th gear at little over tickover is now no longer possible, without dropping a few cogs & having the thing scream its fcuking head off like a kawazuki 1100 racer or something..

This new M5 is more of an overweight M3 instead, with compulsory close-ratio SMG (to facilitate its rev-happy nature?) and a whole host of electronic bollixology and gimmickry like 'power' button, 13 different modes of gearchanges, onscreen rev counter yadda yadda,. when all they had to do was add a supercharger to the E39 drivetrain (b10 bi-turbo?), some wider tyres & a brembo big brake kit.. it's little wonder that since it introduction, e60 sales figures have been down around 50% on the previous generation 5-series then.. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-September-2004 at 19:50

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Nope, it simply won't do and i'll be looking towards AMG next time round,. Its a step backwards for BMW.

Easy dude......AMG, i dont think so, plenty more ///M cars to choose from but i'll merk an exception for Mclaren SLR......

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-September-2004 at 03:38

I concur with all you're saying, úber.... but I think you may find the AMG compromised in other areas such as the fact it has inadequate mechanical grip for the poke it has (not aided by the fact it has an open diff, unforgivable for a car of this kind in my opinion) and as a consequence is critically dependant on electronics to maintain some semblance of forward progress. Not the sign of a well developed chassis and something symptomatic of all nutter-speed Mercs.

I'd say a 545i has torque figures approaching those of the new M5 in the low-to-mid range, so maybe an Alpina version of that as a fallback option?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-September-2004 at 16:01
with sales figures already dwindling for the new E60 across the world, comes this ;

Quote BMW’s new 5-series range has run into trouble in the crucial Euro NCAP crash tests. According to an inside source, the initial tests would have led to the car being given a low three-star rating. The source claimed that the car’s problem was ‘structural’ rather than a series of minor problems.
BMW denied this but admitted that the 5-series has been crash-tested. However, BMW has ‘agreed’ with Euro NCAP that the tests were hampered by ‘inconsistencies’. The impact tests are likely to be re-run in the near future.
‘We genuinely hope for, and expect, a five-star rating,’ a BMW spokesman told Autocar.


http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=2109 53

I knew there was almost 200kg in weight savings over the outgoing E39 model (which stands at roughly 1.7 tonnes), but didn't think they'd skimp on structural rigidity or safety.. another reason why the V8 M5 is superior and will become somewhat of an icon (ala 993 porsche)..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-October-2004 at 09:28

Gradisco il e39 il la cosa migliore (take that T.J.)

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-October-2004 at 11:31

Surely you mean it's

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Yes, it's the dogs

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-October-2004 at 12:03

The e39 is my favourite nice shape and nicer engine  vroom vroom, but the new car could change my mind when I get a spin in one next year

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what do you mean nicer engine? Same engines as in 3 series.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-October-2004 at 12:14

It sounds much nicer when it starts up and drives like a storm and the engine is refined even better than the others, but sorry for forgetting about you Mr. M5 Bannon

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-October-2004 at 13:07
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Okay so it looked better when it was on my screen......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-October-2004 at 17:17
E60 growing on me but the E39 is the classic BMW for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-October-2004 at 03:37

Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

what do you mean nicer engine? Same engines as in 3 series.

What was I thinking when I replied to your comment M5 Bannon the E39 has the V8 engine a bit more refined than the 6 cylinder engine thats in the rest of the range   (Must be the tabs I'm on)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-October-2004 at 04:39
The new M5 appears to be out in the USA

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its a test car - look at the diagnostic stuff inside it.
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I've owned an E28 and an E34 and out of the two the E28 was the better by a long way. The E34 is just too soft for me.
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