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Starfury
Really Senior Member I Joined: 16-February-2005 Location: Midlands Status: Offline Points: 319 |
Topic: 328 Nikasil problem Posted: 24-February-2005 at 13:05 |
Thank you for all your help. Taken a lot of worry off my mind :)
Now just got to get this airbag light sorted out. Hopefully it will just be a reset of the light. |
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 24-February-2005 at 05:07 |
Yes, you are OK. The e46 328i has an M52TU engine to be absolutely correct. This means it has dual Vanos. They didn't change the engine number (i.e. M52) when they changed the block to steel liners in 1998. That's why the manufacture date is of such importance on the earlier cars but no e46's were affected.
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Starfury
Really Senior Member I Joined: 16-February-2005 Location: Midlands Status: Offline Points: 319 |
Posted: 23-February-2005 at 17:58 |
Its a 328i SE Saloon, (new shape, 99/T) someone told me it was a
E46/M52 setup. So I am worrying about nothing? :) Good, its better than
worrying about something. I will check the engine bay tomorrow and if
it doesnt say the manuf date I will ring BMW. Ta :)
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 23-February-2005 at 17:17 |
Starfury You are probably worrying about nothing. Firstly, if your car is an e46, as it is most likely to be if registered in '99, then you have nothing to worry about in terms of nikasil. No e46 cars were affected. If by chance it is an e36 (maybe a coupe or convertible), then you can check either of the following to be sure. In the engine bay on one or other of the inner wings (I think drivers side, but can't remember for sure) there should be a metal plate that will indicate the production month of the car. If its April '98 or later you are fine. The other way of checking is to get the VIN number and phone BMW Customer Service (you'll get the number on the BMW UK website). They'll confirm things for you. Your warranty does mention cylinder bores, but if it did come down to having to make a claim I reckon you'd find the warranty company reaching for their smallprint to try and wriggle out. |
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Starfury
Really Senior Member I Joined: 16-February-2005 Location: Midlands Status: Offline Points: 319 |
Posted: 23-February-2005 at 16:29 |
OK my car was registered in May 99. So am I pretty safe to assume it
was manufactured after Week 10 of 1998 (march 98) as per the
http://www.lestac.co.uk/bmw/nikasil.htm document?
I am going to ring the first garage it was sold from and see if they can give me a manufacturing date to give me peace of mind. I have until Sunday to return the car for a full refund no questions asked. I assume if it has got this problem and it rears its head I will be responsible for all costs from BMW's perspective? The garage I bought it from have a warranty scheme and the following is covered by their warranty, could someone tell me if this problem would be covered or not, this is not BMW specific. Sorry for being a noob, but I dont want to be lumped paying for a car thats going to die before I finish paying for it. Ya know? Engine: Rocker assembly including hydraulic rockers, Inlet and Exhaust valves (excluding burnt valves and seats), Springs and guides, Cylinder head (excluding cracks and decoke), Cylinder head gasket (excluding external oil leaks), Push rods, Camshaft and followers, Timing gears and chain, Oil pump, Pistons and rings, Cylinder bores, Con Rods, Gudgeon pins and bearings, Crankshaft and bearings, Inlet and exhaust manifold, Flywheel and starter ring gear, Cover also includes major oil leaks that necessitate the removal of the engine. Anyone assist please? Thanks in advance |
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 21-January-2005 at 13:07 |
Dave I think there may some exceptions to the generally understood situation that are worth thinking about. I understand that the e36 6's changed to Nikasil from the beginning of '95 (most people think it started with the change to the 170bhp 2.5 and 193bhp 2.8 in 323 and 328 from late 95), so some 95 320i and 325i may be affected. Also, the e34 6's didn't change at all and were the old steel lined blocks until the end, so all e34 520i and 525i should be OK. |
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dave 328
Really Senior Member II Joined: 21-October-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 835 |
Posted: 21-January-2005 at 12:27 |
All 6 cylinders from 95-98 |
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328 Coupe Sport, Digital climate, full leather, OBD computer, De-restricted with M50 manifold, big bore throttle, chippeduk remap, custom cold cone intake and X-brace |
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snapon
Groupie Joined: 11-November-2004 Location: Banstead Surrey Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: 21-January-2005 at 10:51 |
Do we know from what models this niksail problem effects? |
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Just Touring....
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 21-January-2005 at 09:50 |
Not necessarily, it seems that the problem isn't universal, i.e. there are a lot of niksail cars that have racked up plenty of miles and never had a problem. If you don't have the problem, you might never have. However, this can't do the residual values of cars that are still on their original engines a whole lot of good. I can't imagine too many buyers being prepared to take the word of a seller that there are no symptoms. That was always the case, but at least there was a potential safety net there to break the fall of a buyer if the worst happened. |
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al325i
Newbie Joined: 08-January-2005 Location: Glasgow Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: 21-January-2005 at 08:13 |
Hi Just a quick note to say the previous owner of my 328 touring had the nikasil problem, his local dealer Premier vehicles (wales) told him there was nothing wrong with the car and wouldn't do anything for him and this was after the car had been fully serviced by them for over 5 years!! He took it to another dealer Williams of Liverpool who accepted the warranty no problem, end result, new block and no cost to the owner. This was about 3-4 years ago (Dec 97 car). Cheers
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ManicAJK
Newbie Joined: 18-January-2005 Location: Milton Keynes Status: Offline Points: 23 |
Posted: 20-January-2005 at 17:40 |
i think the solution to this is probably just buy a second hand engine when the time comes, looks like it is going to be cheaper in the long run.
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snapon
Groupie Joined: 11-November-2004 Location: Banstead Surrey Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: 20-January-2005 at 16:10 |
So is it time to get shot of my 328 before this problem arises?
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Just Touring....
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MattB106
Senior Member II Joined: 04-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 233 |
Posted: 19-January-2005 at 17:19 |
oh and i'm getting it fitted in Bristol now. Total cost to my wallet (read credit card!) of £1300. Still that block should last me a lifetime.
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MattB
E36 328i Sport in silver www.fotki.com/mattb106 |
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MattB106
Senior Member II Joined: 04-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 233 |
Posted: 19-January-2005 at 17:18 |
Only one kit left in the UK for the 2.8 now! £560+vat. At least you coudl always sell it on if you never need it.
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MattB
E36 328i Sport in silver www.fotki.com/mattb106 |
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 18-January-2005 at 06:11 |
That BMW seem to be drawing a line under goodwill gestures is worrying for those of us that have nikasil cars but haven't had a probem YET. Makes me wonder if I should just go ahead and buy a kit just in case? |
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Peter Fenwick
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 27-August-2003 Location: Lost somewhere in time... Status: Offline Points: 6484 |
Posted: 18-January-2005 at 03:22 |
Matt, glad to here you're getting it sorted. It's amazing that the dealers charge £2500 for the labour and a speciallist will do it for £700. |
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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MattB106
Senior Member II Joined: 04-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 233 |
Posted: 17-January-2005 at 15:30 |
Just another update for those interested... I'm ordering the block kit via a friend at a BMW dealers tomorrow for £509+VAT. They are delivering it fro free to a specialist in Bristol who has done the work before. They are doing me a deal of £700 all in inc oils etc. It will total a fraction under £1300 all in. |
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MattB
E36 328i Sport in silver www.fotki.com/mattb106 |
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MattB106
Senior Member II Joined: 04-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 233 |
Posted: 15-January-2005 at 16:42 |
Right we have a solution. Basically i'm ignoring BMW, getting the block kit ordered via my mate who works in a dealers in Bath then getting my Indy (PC Autocare) to fit it. Also getting the big bore throttle body & manifold fund allowing. The block kit is £550+ vat but i wont be paying that. Will be mrre than the BMW discounted one but i can get it fitted where i like. Some VERY (if not alarming) interesting info copied form my mates post on www.e36coupe.com regarding BMW and Nikasil: info for everyone else about Nikasil; I'm not sure whwere this would have stoody me if i got it done through the dealer. If i booked it in mid feb would i be paying £2k extra on parts?! Be interesting if someoen in the club with BMW GB contacts could find out what's happening. Woudl be useful for the club mag maybe. |
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MattB
E36 328i Sport in silver www.fotki.com/mattb106 |
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MattB106
Senior Member II Joined: 04-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 233 |
Posted: 15-January-2005 at 09:26 |
I had thought about it. Spoke to Birds of Uxebridge the other week too and they are well up for fighting my corner. They reckon they always get good results too. I'm going to have a chat with them anyway as their labour is probably slightly cheaper and i may be able to work out a way of gettting the 2.8 Hartge H3 230bhp package out of all this wasted money.
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MattB
E36 328i Sport in silver www.fotki.com/mattb106 |
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Mac
Senior Member II Joined: 15-October-2003 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 200 |
Posted: 15-January-2005 at 08:54 |
Hi Matt, That's disappointing news, I had been wondering if there was any outcome. There seems to be somewhat of a grey area regarding the goodwill gestures at the moment, there is a post on the 5 series forum about an owner having the same trouble, but no-one conencted to BMW wants to bite the bullet and give him an answer. Might be worth giving BMW GB a call and asking as to why only a 50% contribution when so many have had better results. Mac.
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