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patrickD 
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Joined: 30-December-2004 Location: gatwick Status: Offline Points: 3 |
 Topic: hallmark 633Posted: 30-December-2004 at 18:20 |
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hi,i have recently bought a 633 csi,which seems to be a hallmark edition.when i bought it,the car had a severe paint defect.i work in a bodyshop so im about 2/3s through a bare metal respray.the car was repainted in the late 80s(in a different colour)and the original colour isnt that tasty!id just like to know if the car is rare or valuable enough to return it to its original colour.what is one in near condition 1 worth?thanks,patrick.
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Sohlman
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Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 02-January-2005 at 07:10 |
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A hallmark is certainly worth more than a standard 633 and is very rare with something between 12 and 25 made. I would guess that its worth around £6K in good condition with a regular 633 being worth about £3k in good condition, but for cars like this it's very hard to place an acurate value. I have a couple of pictures of a very nice hallmark that came to one of the events i organise. The colour sounds gastly, but in the flesh it's extreemly nice. Please feel free to PM me and pass on your e-mail adress and i will send you a couple of photos. James |
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Horsetan
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Posted: 02-January-2005 at 11:22 |
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See my comments and Hallmark photos HERE
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Horsetan
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Posted: 02-January-2005 at 11:23 |
...and let's remember it is only a guess, so let's not get over-excited... 
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Andyboy
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Posted: 04-January-2005 at 12:38 |
I very much doubt it. When you can buy a late E28 based 635CSi for £3000, why would anyone want an wobbly old 3 speed auto or 4 speed manual thing with E12 suspension and loads of rust repairs? In the real world, a good one is worth £1500 and absolutely no more. The same goes to 628's; not a bad car but just not the proper deal. |
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spokey
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Posted: 04-January-2005 at 13:24 |
I'm not going to argue about the rust, but I just had the shocks and bushes done on my "E12" 635 and the handling is stunning. I've not been able to get it to step out without being utterly stupid, the car is very neutral and handles remarkably well. |
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Ciao,
Spokey 
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Andyboy
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Posted: 09-January-2005 at 14:01 |
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That'll be the 635CSi with uprated Bilstein
suspension and possibly an LSD, not a 633CSi...... When 635CSi's are worth so little (i.e £3000 for a nice clean one), who would want a 633CSi? |
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Brucey
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Posted: 09-January-2005 at 17:39 |
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maybe not now, but in a few years' time who can say??? cheers
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Sohlman
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Posted: 09-January-2005 at 18:17 |
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On a car like a six where more and more go up to the big rust god in the sky any limited edition or rare model will be worth quite a bit when numbers decline further. When i spoke with the DVLA last year there were only 1000 sixes registered with the DVLA which is not that many when you consider how many made it into the UK market. Personally i think a hallmark in good condition with a manual box would be more interesting to me than a late model highline, but thats just me.
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Andyboy
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Posted: 19-January-2005 at 13:06 |
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I would agree with you about a Hallmark being more
interesting, mainly because there are so few about. The same goes for a 633CSi because a mint one does look quite eyecatching these days. Trouble is though, rare doesn't equate into £££££ which is why they are worth so little. A chrome bumpered 635CSi looks the same to a casual observer but is a vastly better car. Anything BMW and seventies will be pretty rotten by now or will have had major rust repairs. Add to that dodgy twin servo brakes, old seventies Bosch electrics, rattly old engines with corroded heads. A case in point is a seventies 3 litre CS Coupe Auto - they should be worth ten grand but a nice one will struggle to make much more than £3500 which is such a pity. When a Stag or MGB Roadster makes £7000, it's criminal how little old BMW Coupes are worth. Still, all the better for us eh??! |
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Andyboy
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Posted: 19-January-2005 at 13:11 |
Absolutely agree with you there; the Bilstein equipped 635CSi was a much better handling car than the E9 CSL, really crisp with the LSD. They seemed to 'go' so much harder than the later Motronic 635 as well even though the power output is the same on paper. What year is yours? Manual or Auto? With the dogleg gearbox they were just a rocketship. There's a very pretty looking Gold one in Total BMW this month, a really stunning car. Sorry, but you can keep the new 6 Series! |
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Sohlman
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Posted: 19-January-2005 at 13:34 |
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I proposed an article to total that they should do a driving comparison of an early manual six (Dog leg, bilsteins, LSD) against a highline M6. My feeling is that the performance would be near identical due to the huge difference in weight. Agree about the gold one being a nice car and it was one of the cars at the August Heckfield coupe meet in 2003. Is it me or does that car have the highline 635csi badging as i believe the correct badging for that car should have the chrome over a black backing plate.
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Andyboy
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Posted: 19-January-2005 at 16:53 |
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Well, it should have a plastic chin spoiler and the big
chunky boot spoiler that conered the entire rear edge of the bootlid. Yes, the 635CSi was unique for BMW in having the small black and chrome bootlid badge so obviously the car has had the spoiler removed at some point. It would look better with the spoilers refitted, the early ones were heroic stuff. As for the M6, they were A LOT faster than the 635CSi because the top end power was just immense whereas the old 12v engine died off after 5500. The late M635CSi is 18 seconds faster to 120 mph than an early 635CSi and that's a huge difference. As good as the 635CSi was, the 24v car is just in a different league although they don't feel as lively in the lower rev range. Over 3500 rpm though, the M6 just takes off. According to BMW figures, the Highline M6 weighs 6 kilos more than a '79 635CSi. The early cars were pretty heavy you know, mainly due to all the old E12 suspension ironmongery. The E28 was quite a lot lighter than the E12 so I guess it figures that a later 6 is almost 100 kilos lighter than an early one. Everything on the E12 was so soildly built and heavy, a rear trailing arm being a case in point. They must have been made in a shipyard! |
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Horsetan
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Posted: 20-January-2005 at 17:34 |
...which is ironic, because BMW did make engines for use in marine applications...... |
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Andyboy
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Posted: 21-January-2005 at 04:48 |
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Yep, and I had a marinised M30 engine in my lock
up! Can't remember what happened to it now but everything was subtly different. The most common boat that used the M30 was the E23 7 Series. Avast there me hearties! 
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Horsetan
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Posted: 21-January-2005 at 18:18 |
I'm getting that sinking feeling already...... |
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Andyboy
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Posted: 21-January-2005 at 18:48 |
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E23 + MOT test = shipwreck. It would be a Marie
Celeste job; a big useless ship and not an owner to be found. "Raise the Titanic? It'd be cheaper to lower the Atlantic" |
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AndyS
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Posted: 24-January-2005 at 07:45 |
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Depends on what your definition of "nice" is. A solid one in good order would be nearer £9000. The CSL getting on for double that. See BMW Car Magazine the other month. Munich Legends had a top notch CSL for sale at £20k. Since they'd done a full restoration for a guy that cost £45k it's reasonable. Good original engined Stags with no rust are over £10k. Anything substantially cheaper needs work. I know 'cos I looked for one. It's all down to supply & demand. Parts for a Stag are cheap so it won't be financially unfeasable to repair. A CS coupe on the other hand..... Plus a convertible will always be higher in the desirebility stakes.
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AndyS
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Andyboy
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Posted: 24-January-2005 at 16:58 |
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Really ? Please show me someone who has paid
£9000 for a 3.0 CS Automatic - you'll struggle. A very, very nice one might make £5000. A perfect CSi might make £8000 on a good day. A perfect CSL can be bought for £15'000 - Nigel Moseley had a concours orange one which was way better than anything ML have ever had and I think it was up for £14'000. I bought mine for £4500 as part of a deal with an M3, did a load of work to it and sold it for £8250 and it was certainly a very bright and up together thing when it was done.. Anyone who pays £10'000 or more for a Stag with that boat anchor V8 needs their head feeling. It was junk when it was new, it's junk now. It's amazing how badly made, poorly conceived and shockingly unreliable BL scrap gains mythical status as soon as it gets old. I drove a couple and thought they were just awful. But they do look nice. For ten grand, anyone with an ounce of sense would buy a W107 Merc SL which was a proper car Ten grand buys a very tidy '87 420SL with a
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Horsetan
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Posted: 24-January-2005 at 17:24 |
It doesn't take much to get you started, does it, Andy?
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