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Chrali
Newbie Joined: 24-February-2005 Location: Norfolk Status: Offline Points: 26 |
Topic: Oh oh problems Posted: 05-March-2005 at 07:45 |
Ok guys as you know I bought a cheap 750il. Love the car, but 300 miles later I waited for Mr RAC to get me home. The charge light came on in the morning, but a quick rev seemed to do the trick. It came on in the evening and didnt go out. 15miles later everything started switching off and eventutally the engine switched to 1 bank with the EML on and then stopped. The belt it ok, so can an alternator fail just like that? The radiator has a slight leak which doesnt concern me much, but my biggest problem is the engine. It doesnt seem to use oil by revving it at standstill, but at kickdown at 'other speeds' a light cloud can be seen in the rear view mirror. Finanicially I know I shouldnt bother, but this car is a project which means I should, I just didnt reckon on the lot at once. So how do I get the alternator out (if you guys think its that)? If lots of dismantling is required given the oil burn, I could fix that engine, drop in another either second hand or recon. Now the natural thing that does appeal would be the 5.4 v12, or 4.4v8 litre from an E38. Would this work out ok, or do you guys have other suggestions. Still happy though....
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shogun
Really Senior Member II Joined: 22-February-2005 Location: Tokyo/Japan Status: Offline Points: 564 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 09:57 |
Have you checked the crankcase ventilation? Do the valves in crankcase work alright? I think you do have not much knowledge of the engines. The 5.4 Liter engine of the E38 has another engine management and the 4.4 Liter engine of the E38 also. Transmissions are also different. Even the diagnostic is different. What do you want with a 4.4 V8 engine in your V12 compartment? Total different systems, nothing will fit. Stick to the V12 M70 engine. What do you mean with: at 'other speeds' a light cloud can be seen in the rear view mirror. Black? White....??? "The belt it ok, so can an alternator fail just like that?" Has nothing to do with your problem. What belt anyway? If an alternator fails, you will be walking but not driving in a short time. Just go to check it systematically: Simple way: if you switch to ignition 2 do you see the EML light for 2 seconds? If not, what happens? Sorry for that short info, but just let us know details. The advantage of a V12 is that you basically have all things double. To say it simply. But some things are not and some things are across the other side if you feel somthing is wrong with the left bank or the right bank. When you visit my webpage and read about the V12 of the E32 M70 engine, you will certainly understand. |
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Doive
Really Senior Member II Joined: 09-February-2005 Location: Clinging to a turbine, Hexham Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 10:08 |
I don't know specifics about these engines, just general mechanical experience! I have known alternators to go just as you describe in the past. It can be a few different things with the same net result - no charge. Brushes in the alternator can wear, voltage regulators can fail - but as I say I don't know specifics so your car may not have old fashioned voltage regulators. Does the engine spin over at all? If not I would suggest testing the battery voltage - anything below 11V then either charge the battery or get a new one. If the engine starts, run it for a few minutes and check the battery voltage again - if below around 13.5V then there is a fault in the charging circuit. You have checked the belt, so it is likely there is a problem with the alternator in this case. As for the oil smoke on kickdown, does this happen with the engine hot, cold or both? When cold it is possibly worn piston rings allowing oil up into the combustion chambers from the crankcase, when hot it may be oil getting down past worn stem seals but this would also show as a cloud of blue smoke when starting up. If both then it may well be a combination of the two. That's when it starts getting expensive.... |
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bmw1066
Really Senior Member II GOOD OLD E23 Joined: 16-January-2005 Location: West Sussex Nr Brighton Status: Offline Points: 1095 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 10:53 |
There is a oil you put in on oil chane. Ametech engin restore,
this stuf is fantastic put it in my 170000 mile e23 now smoth and berns
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Mark 735 se 1982
RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
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robs e23
Really Senior Member I Joined: 28-January-2005 Location: colchester essex Status: Offline Points: 498 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 11:20 |
nice one mark
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robs e23
Really Senior Member I Joined: 28-January-2005 Location: colchester essex Status: Offline Points: 498 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 11:22 |
how much is this mark and do you have to change it when you do a oil change.
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bmw1066
Really Senior Member II GOOD OLD E23 Joined: 16-January-2005 Location: West Sussex Nr Brighton Status: Offline Points: 1095 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 11:29 |
Put it in when you chang the oil and just leave it in there takes about
500 miles to fuly werk need 3 tins on 735 arfter that just one tin on
every oil change bit pricey at £20 a tin, but I think thay are doing it
for £10 a tin at the mo for first orders. I bought 10 tins at
classic car show last year but well werth it.
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Mark 735 se 1982
RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
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robs e23
Really Senior Member I Joined: 28-January-2005 Location: colchester essex Status: Offline Points: 498 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 12:30 |
sounds like a good product. is this stuff from the land of uncle sam.
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 12:36 |
They also sell it on e-Bay |
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bmw1066
Really Senior Member II GOOD OLD E23 Joined: 16-January-2005 Location: West Sussex Nr Brighton Status: Offline Points: 1095 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 12:59 |
Yep. but you can by in the uk in Practical Classics and LRO Land Rover
Oner Int, in the back adds, or may be at ClassicCars Live at Alexandra
Palace also werth going to.
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Mark 735 se 1982
RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
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robs e23
Really Senior Member I Joined: 28-January-2005 Location: colchester essex Status: Offline Points: 498 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 13:25 |
yep. so there horsetan.
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robs e23
Really Senior Member I Joined: 28-January-2005 Location: colchester essex Status: Offline Points: 498 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 13:26 |
what???
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Chrali
Newbie Joined: 24-February-2005 Location: Norfolk Status: Offline Points: 26 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 18:57 |
Ok guys. The RAC man checked that there was no charge whenn he jump started the car from his van. The second he disconnected the jump leads the car cut out. Once he put a battery pack on the car it started up and ran fine for the next few miles home, with no EML. There was some smoke on start up , which I put down to running the engine on 1 bank for a while. The reason I ask about other engines is that previously me and a mate had range rovers and when I looked to upgrade my 4.2 classic to a later 4.6 v8 (from the later series P38 RR) you could take all the leccy bits, or retain the old ECU with just a large fuel pressure regulator. So whilst the E32 engines have more modern electronics is the 5.4 still an M70 engine and is it poss to retrofit to an E32 (forget the v8 just being silly ) If anyone can give me a bit of advice on how to remove the alternator id be v. grateful. Assuming its worn piston rings, can these be changed with the engine it situ and are valve stem seals straight forward to repair (i.e. do the heads need to come off!) I'm taking the view that ideally the current engine would be fixed, but if it had to come out, then putting in a better one would be worthwhile. I'm not too keen on the additives idea, I can remember the old days of the gunk that restored compression by solidifying on the bores. Not saying this does that, but it would be nice to know how it works. Cheers guys.
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Chrali
Newbie Joined: 24-February-2005 Location: Norfolk Status: Offline Points: 26 |
Posted: 05-March-2005 at 19:14 |
Just checked on this Ametech stuff....actually I might give this a punt and at best it could cure my oil burning problems, and may prove or disprove piston ring wear. Parts 24/7 quoted me £345 for a 'low mileage' V12 5.0 litre engine with a 30 day warranty, although whats low mileage for a 17 year old car may be anyones guess. Still need help getting the alternator off tho
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bmw1066
Really Senior Member II GOOD OLD E23 Joined: 16-January-2005 Location: West Sussex Nr Brighton Status: Offline Points: 1095 |
Posted: 06-March-2005 at 06:09 |
What you got to lose, I use a lot of diffrent st. and they work very
well also if your car has not had reg oil chainges I would use an engin
flush to get rid off all the crud, even cars that have oil changed
reguley have a lot of crud. My brothers Renault 5 was rely bad dipite
oil every 6000 miles. should have seen it when I touk the head of. you
could be berning oil slightley blocked oil ways and a lot of garages
put a fulsh in the engin now,
not shour about alternater but if that is hard think about to heads it is £60000 for a new e38 v8 I would not touch a second hand one, head set for one of these is over £300 I feal sory for the man when we tould him his head gasget had gon on his e38 Edited by bmw1066 |
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Mark 735 se 1982
RED BARON A E23 is for life not just for x-mas BMW e34 530 v8 Sport kit Spelling always Bad |
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Chrali
Newbie Joined: 24-February-2005 Location: Norfolk Status: Offline Points: 26 |
Posted: 06-March-2005 at 06:36 |
I've alreadys heard that if an engine hasnt had regular changes DONT do a flush as all kinds of crud will block up your engine. I think the advice was to do some short interval oil changes with a slightly thinner oil. I may be being pessimistic, as I need to check the PCV valves etc. Does anyone have any hints/tips on how to get the alternator out |
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Philip
Really Senior Member II E23 the forgotten 80s BMW Joined: 28-January-2005 Location: Essex Status: Offline Points: 1425 |
Posted: 06-March-2005 at 13:54 |
sounds like you need the E32 Bentley workshop manual. they cost about £70 new or get cheapo CD-ROM copy off Fleabay. also check the Bimmerboard E32 section/ chat board.
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Philip
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Chrali
Newbie Joined: 24-February-2005 Location: Norfolk Status: Offline Points: 26 |
Posted: 08-March-2005 at 08:30 |
I've found enough to indicate that the alternator is duff and found the info on how to remove the alternator. It involves removing the fan which has a 'left handed' thread. Does this mean from standing in front of the car I need to wrench clockwise to undo it? Guess I'll check the PCV stuff whilst I'm there to..
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eta.
Really Senior Member II Joined: 21-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 599 |
Posted: 08-March-2005 at 09:16 |
Suggest you put a fresh post up asking for 'shoguns' advise. Make it 750 secific.
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Chrali
Newbie Joined: 24-February-2005 Location: Norfolk Status: Offline Points: 26 |
Posted: 11-March-2005 at 06:07 |
Benley manual ordered
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