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Andrew Rolland 
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 Topic: MG Rover - t’is a sad dayPosted: 15-April-2005 at 08:35 |
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Thats it 11.30 am today it was announced that MG Rover will be making its staff redundant. Rover no more. Real shame. I feel sorry for all the workers. All Rover dealers are now lowering the prices of their cars as I type, you know by removing the first figure from the price tag! Andrew |
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Peter Fenwick
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Joined: 27-August-2003 Location: Lost somewhere in time... Status: Offline Points: 6484 |
Posted: 15-April-2005 at 08:52 |
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It is a sad day for manufacturing in this country. At least it means that you should be able to pick up an MG ZT260 for an absolute bargain, although the lack of warranty has to be a major concern. |
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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Andrew Rolland
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Posted: 15-April-2005 at 09:13 |
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Peter is that the only proper one i.e. rear drive? Thats the Rover 75 jazzed or chavved up init? Andrew |
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Rhys
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Posted: 15-April-2005 at 10:09 |
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It's a real shame, probably the last great british industry.
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mell
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Joined: 07-July-2004 Location: up in the clouds far far away Status: Offline Points: 3466 |
Posted: 15-April-2005 at 12:02 |
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Jaguar,Tvr,Rolls Royce,Aston Martin cant think of anymore,it is a shame,what we talking here thousands and thousands off jobs as it will be dealers all over the country getting sold to
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Peter H
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Joined: 03-January-2004 Location: Worcestershire/Ost Bayern Status: Offline Points: 927 |
Posted: 15-April-2005 at 14:48 |
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< id=kpfLog style="DISPLAY: none" src="http://127.0.0.1:44501/pl.?START_LOG" onload=destroy(this)> The way things are going in a few years all that will be left is Tourism, Banking & Fast Food. MG may be saved in some form hopefully < =text/> |
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eta.
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 03:44 |
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Clever (R)OVER graphic whoever did it. If you copy to email it is animated too.
Seriously, I am very upset for all the people directly and indirectly affected ....... BUT, does anyone know if the 150M 'package' promised by the government is over and above what any citizen who finds themselves out of work is entitled too? |
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Doive
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Joined: 09-February-2005 Location: Clinging to a turbine, Hexham Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
Posted: 16-April-2005 at 06:02 |
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Erm... the guys at Longbridge are getting 3 grand each redundancy package.Members of government and public officials get hundreds of thousands of pounds given to them. It also transpires that some staff had bought new cars from the company on an HP basis, and now the leasing company wants the balance in full with interest. Heartless swines. The government have said that one plan for Longbridge is to demolish the lot and build an industrial park - oh yes? And just what industry is going to fill it?? Manufacturing is gone in this country, taxed out of existence. What about the families where the wages came in every week, and instantly disappear in keeping everyone fed and warm - how are they supposed to survive with no income and no savings? Renationalisation may not have been the answer, but I am sure there must have been another alternative to take. Hopefully MG will keep operating as a niche sports car maker - or have BMW and SAIC run off with all the design plans?
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Peter H
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 08:18 |
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< id=kpfLog style="DISPLAY: none" src="http://127.0.0.1:44501/pl.?START_LOG" onload=destroy(this)> Needs to be established who owns the MG name before anything can happen. PWC unsure who actually owns what, Chinese backtracking over some things they claimed to own & there is a buy back clause where any purchacer can get the IP back off shanghai for what they paid
110 million is for "Retraining" of the Rover & Supplier companies staff who have been made redundant, the other 40 million is, I think, for redundancy payment to MGR Staff (6100 approx) < =text/> |
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Horsetan
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 09:49 |
Bwahahahahahahaha! 
The Indians'll probably end up buying it. After all, they've bought up loads of old WCUK automotive plant in years gone by. Just think, the Rover 75 could become the new Hindustan Ambassador..... 
...and what about all those unsold Sh*ttyRovers  ?
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Rhys
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 10:11 |
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India Indeed, they know a thing or three about old British Engineering.. In fact I think they stil produce Royal Enfield motorbikes over there..
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Von Paulus
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 10:30 |
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It was announced yestarday that the Pekyan, made
in Iran is about to cease production. It is the old Hillman Hunter from the sixties and seventies! I read something about Longbridge the other day. When BMC made the first Morris 1100 back in 1962, there was never meant to be an Austin version. But it turned out to be a huge seller. The factory at Cowley (now where Minis are made) could not build enough cars, only about 300 cars a day and that was with 24 hour production. So another line was built at Longbridge and an Austin 1100 arrived. At the peak, BMC were building over 800 of these cars a day at both plants. That's a lot of cars, especially when they were making other cars like the Mini, Minor, Maxis etc. So what on earth went wrong? |
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eta.
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 10:35 |
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I read somewhere that that Indian Enfield will run on diesel (?) and veg oil too!
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Doive
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Joined: 09-February-2005 Location: Clinging to a turbine, Hexham Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
Posted: 16-April-2005 at 10:49 |
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The 1100/1300 range of family cars were the measuring stick of their day, front wheel drive, interconnected suspension and huge amounts of interior space - more in fact than the current Ford Focus. They were also one of the last cars designed and built by BMC before Leyland came along. BL tried to unify everything under one umbrella and ended up with a huge and unwieldy range of cars. So rather than rationalise the range into distinct sizes under one brand name, they split the resources and built different cars for every brand - Austin Allegro and Morris Marina being a case in point. The problem was never a lack of design talent - just look at the Range Rover and the SD1 - but unbelievable mangement and poor worker relations. When the SD1 was being designed, mangement faffed around for two years before signing the car off for production - imagine if the SD1 had come along in 1973 rather than 76? Also management operated and encouraged a 'them and us' attitude with the workforce, never a good thing for building quality cars. When the SD1 was launched in Europe, people thronged the showrooms to buy the cars. Because of strikes they had none to sell, so buyers simply went off and bought alternatives and have done ever since. Sadly the company has never recovered from this era, and their reputation has always been a bit suspect too. Shame. |
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NOISUFNOC
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 10:54 |
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Sorry for the workers losing their jobs, but rover seems to have an attitude that the public would just buy whatever they put off the production lines, for years they have been associated with cars that rust quickly and bots fall off, no longer the rover of old with a passion for making the cars. Look at IBM, attitude there was well you will pay extra for the name, not that the quality is any better, result HP/COMPAQ Dell walk all over them and IBM get trounced. Metro could have been just as popular as the Saxo, but quality and image was dubious, yet Metro 6R4 was raved about and still is, Maestro Turbo, stupidly quick car but joke about the sills going faster than the cars was too true unfortunately. Ive owned several rovers and I dont think anyone can really slag off the MG ZR range, they seem to be able to get their niche cars right, but when it came down to bread and butter cars they just didnt care. Just my tuppeny's worth. |
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528 for now
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Horsetan
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 12:14 |
WCUK management. And government. And good old WCUK bloody-mindedness thrown in. Still, I'm sure Tesco can afford to buy up the site Edited by Horsetan |
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Peter H
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 12:47 |
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< id=kpfLog style="DISPLAY: none" src="http://127.0.0.1:44501/pl.?START_LOG" onload=destroy(this)> 6R4 to metro is like comparing a 320i to andys WTCC car totally different
City rover can have badges changed and is TATA again, < =text/> |
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Das Wolperdinger
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Horsetan
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 13:08 |
...which is ironic, seeing as we're saying "tata for now" to Rover..... |
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Von Paulus
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 19:14 |
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There is an 1100 in the BMW museum in Munich -
well, it's down in the car storage area where all the weird stuff and prototypes are kept. Berndt Pischetsrieder was Alec Issigonis' nephew and the car (along with a few of the original Minis) was collected probably because of this. BMW also own the Austin Healey, Triumph and Riley names. A bit like collecting dead bodies......... |
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Doive
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Posted: 16-April-2005 at 19:29 |
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There was talk a few years back about Mr Pischets....err...thingy
wanting to revive one or more of these old brands. As said he was the
nephew of the great Issigonis and has a fascination with old British
cars and the sense of 'Britishness' you used to find in the likes of a
Rover P5 or P6. He wanted to recapture some of this and rebrand it for
the 21st century. At the time the smart money was on Riley, but some
also favoured Triumph. IMO the Dolly range was the 3 series of its day,
while the Dolly Sprint was a fantastic piece of kit. Even today it
still looks crisp and somehow modern, try saying that about a focus in
twenty years time.
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