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M3AG
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Topic: 159mph, and he got off??? Posted: 19-May-2005 at 08:25 |
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M3AG
Really Senior Member II 7 series & e36 m3 registrar! (Madness) Joined: 17-October-2002 Location: Good Old Hertfordshire Status: Offline Points: 1644 |
Posted: 19-May-2005 at 08:26 |
He's also a trained Firearms officer, good job he didn't shoot someone to 'test' his new weapon?
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Dergside
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 08:33 |
I didn't realize that a Vectra GSI would do 159mph! I understand that the police need to be able to speed to respond to emergencies, in pursuit, etc. but in this case none of those types of reason applied. I think the guy was wrong and should have been treated as such. |
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M3AG
Really Senior Member II 7 series & e36 m3 registrar! (Madness) Joined: 17-October-2002 Location: Good Old Hertfordshire Status: Offline Points: 1644 |
Posted: 19-May-2005 at 08:37 |
Did they do the Ambulance driver for exceeding the speed limit a while back when he was on a call? I remember that going to court and a well wisher was going to pay his fine!
Sorry about the double topic, didn't realise it had been covered elsewhere! |
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Goldryder
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 08:42 |
The fact that other threads have been started about this case is proof, if it were needed, that we are as outraged by this member of the police walking away scot-free as everyone else in the country is.
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M3AG
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 08:47 |
It just makes a mockery of our judicial system!
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Goldryder
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 08:50 |
One could ask 'what judicial system?' Does this mean that a copper doing this sort of thing and someone getting hurt or dying will also be let off? The judge in this idiots case has set a very dangerous precident now, where now does the line lie? and when does a copper cross that line and at what cost? |
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M3AG
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 08:55 |
I see the court had this to say
The court heard the roads on which Pc Milton drove were deserted at the time of the patrol and that driving conditions were good So in theory, if I was to take my car down to a deserted motorway, in the early hours of the morning, as it was light and go at 140+ mph, I would be OK if I were caught? Somehow I don't think so |
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Goldryder
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 08:59 |
Of course it wouldn't cos you wouldn't have the 'permission' for such antics that the judge has given to the police in this case. You would lose your licence and get a hefty fine and possibly do time too. Over the last few years much has been made of the 'lack of respect to the police' in this country, will this be improving that situation, I think most definately not. If anything this case will alienate the police still further and prove that whats good enough for them, ain't ok for us. |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 10:48 |
I'm undecided on this one. I agree that the police need to test their vehicles to see exactly what they are capable of. After all they don't want to wait until they are chasing someone to see how the car feels at high speeds. I guess what it comes down to is was the occasion in question a genuine test drive to determine the vehicles capabillities or is that just the excuse becuase he has been caught out. If it genuinely was the former then I don't have a problem with it. If he was out for a joy ride and got caught however then he should have been punished. |
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 10:57 |
police have testing grounds for any type of situation , no excuse.
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just a little crazy.
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Goldryder
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 11:08 |
I guess this moron just had a bit too much adrenaline and decided to use it. How he didn't kill himself or anyone else is a miracle. But the judge in this case has made it perfectly fine for police officers who feel the proverbial need to put their foot down to do so knowing they will not get punished.
A sad day for the justice system imho. |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 11:15 |
But they don't chase bad guys on a testing ground do they. The RAF have simulators. This doesn't mean that they don't need to get out there and actually fly the aircraft at low level.
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M3AG
Really Senior Member II 7 series & e36 m3 registrar! (Madness) Joined: 17-October-2002 Location: Good Old Hertfordshire Status: Offline Points: 1644 |
Posted: 19-May-2005 at 11:26 |
But in that case, some people have cars that are capable of 170mph, therefore they should be able to test what the car can do, should the need arise!
i.e. they bought a car that can do those speeds, therefore they want to see if they've got there money's worth! Edited by M3AG |
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rubberknees50
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 12:17 |
Like I said on my topic, I can see there is a need to know what these cars handle like on normal roads, if he's gone to the watch officer and asked permission to do this then I wouldn't have a problem. As he apparently just decided to go thrash the a*** of the new car to try it out I think he was in the wrong. However, reports suggest that West Mercia police have no system for authorising high speed test on normal roads, so perhaps he had no superior to ask. I think it should have been authorised and probably supervised, how did he know for a fact when he did this that those roads were desrted and would remain so! |
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Doive
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 12:56 |
I think the real issue here is not the rights or wrongs operationally
of the officer going out and giving the patrol car some beans. He did
it, yes he is a fully trained advanced driver with experience of high
speed pursuits and so is capabkle of handling a car at those speeds. He
was on a deserted motorway in the small hours of the morning - in
conclusion possibly the best set of circumstances all in all for safe
driving and accident avoidance.
However. The real issue is that a road user, regardless of occupation, time of day or experience level, has been excused for travelling at over twice the speed limit on a public highway. As has already been expressed, if that had been one of us ordinary folk we would have been relieved of our licence and possibly done some bird. If I went out tonight and did 120mph up and down Edinburgh city bypass at 4am I would undoubtedly get arrested. When presented before the judge I would inform him that I am a good driver with a clean licence, and therefore should be allowed to drive at these speeds, citing this case as background evidence. It would appear the fact he is a police officer has enabled him to step outside the law, making a mockery of it in the process. |
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rubberknees50
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 13:03 |
Usual well though out comment Doive. Thinking about it I'm off to collect my 528 next week, can I be excused trying to achieve the book top speed of 146mph on the grounds of checking out a new vehicle - I think not! |
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rubberknees50
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 13:05 |
Lol, how do you know he didn't and they just haven't found the bodies yet.......... |
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IanT
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stephenperry
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 14:15 |
not according to the reports - massive speeds in 30s, 60s and motorways |
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Posted: 19-May-2005 at 15:32 |
The police round here train on the by-pass, and have been sean doing well over a ton. 2 volvo's one in front weaving about 2nd following.
Totally dangerous in my oppinion, if they want to drive at high speeds they should use a race track. Just think everytime they 'have fun' it's at our expense - council tax money we pay is paying for that! |
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