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    Posted: 24-August-2005 at 05:02

Hi There everyone,

I'm hoping you might be able to help a none mechanical person figure out what to do with my 1996 318is which broke down last night. I was doing 60mph on the way home when I heard a 'tick tick tick' noise coming from the engine. I pressed the accelerator but the car did not accelerate I changed down a gear and the engine stalled. After coasting to a stop in a handy lay-by I lifted the bonnets and there was a lot of steam/smoke? coming from down the left hand side of the engine? I don't have much practical knowledge of cars but I think the Timing belt/chain may have snapped. The car has done 222000 miles and so I know it is not worth very much. What I'd like to know is wether the timing chain going means the valves are smashed to bits or wheter on this king of engine I may have got away with it and if I have is replacing the timing chain/belt something I could do or will I have to pay a whole load of cash to get it fixed.

I need the car for work tomorrow so do think I could fix it tonight

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-August-2005 at 05:46
Might be timing ...sounds very possible, but isn't an iS chain driven?

Loud ticking might be a chain tensioner failure....
Different problem, same result:

Take the cam cover off, then you should be able to see if the chain is in one piece and tight....

Whatever, it sounds like a head-off issue to inspect for damage....Doubt you'll have it back together before tomorrow AM....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-August-2005 at 05:46
Lad this is the thing happened my car, and the timing chain had either come lose or completely snapped, but the engine was wrecked. got a different 18000tds engine with 50000 less miles on it and the cars as good as new now, starting perfectly.but hopefully in your case you might be lucky enough, but the symptoms you describe happened me and seems to be the timing chain.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-August-2005 at 06:48

my engine ticks at a certain amount of revs (about 2000) but them stops.

 

Could i have the same problem? i thought a slight ticking was common with chain driven BMW's

 

should i get it looked at?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-August-2005 at 07:07

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222k is a lot for this engine. It certainly sounds like it is terminal and it's unlikely a repair would be economical. A second hand engine is likely to be the most cost effective fix.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-August-2005 at 07:36

Thanks for the info so far guys.

If I wanted to get a second hand engine fitted where would I go and how much is it likely to cost?

If I just sold the car as a none runner what would be the likely price i'd get - £0 is what I'm thinking from what you've said so far.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-August-2005 at 09:03
IMHO a s/h engine is a pig-in-a-poke....

Even if you know what mileage it has done, reliably, and you hear it running, there is no way of knowing of any impending problems...

Unless it is (nearly) free, I would say it is worth rebuilding the one you have (or a suitable alternative)...
IME, the cost isn't that much more if you do it yourself and you have the knowledge that it isn't about to fail 'cos of worn out parts or poor maintainece...

Of course, you need to decide if the car is worth spending any money on at all.
But I would have thought an E36 318is would be worth £1500-2000 minimum in working order against a likely rebuild cost of ~£500 and the value of the car without the motor...probably more than £0, though....

If it were me, I'd be taking the head off about now to assertain the amount of damage...You might have got away with a few valves and no head/piston damage....In which case the rebuild is certainly worth it...If, on the other hand, you have a smashed piston, 16 bent valves and a scrap block, you will want a new block at the very least!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-August-2005 at 07:34

Originally posted by Fushion Julz Fushion Julz wrote:

IMHO a s/h engine is a pig-in-a-poke....

Even if you know what mileage it has done, reliably, and you hear it running, there is no way of knowing of any impending problems...

Unless it is (nearly) free, I would say it is worth rebuilding the one you have (or a suitable alternative)...
IME, the cost isn't that much more if you do it yourself and you have the knowledge that it isn't about to fail 'cos of worn out parts or poor maintainece...

Of course, you need to decide if the car is worth spending any money on at all.
But I would have thought an E36 318is would be worth £1500-2000 minimum in working order against a likely rebuild cost of ~£500 and the value of the car without the motor...probably more than £0, though....

If it were me, I'd be taking the head off about now to assertain the amount of damage...You might have got away with a few valves and no head/piston damage....In which case the rebuild is certainly worth it...If, on the other hand, you have a smashed piston, 16 bent valves and a scrap block, you will want a new block at the very least!

While you can get badly stiched up buying a second hand there are a number of specialist BMW breakers such as FAB (www.fabdirect.com) who are reputable and will give you a warranty on the engine. They list the M42 engine at £550 with a 3 month warranty.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-August-2005 at 07:55
@Neileg:

Kinda exactly what I was saying....A s/h motor (even with a 12week warranty) is an unknown quantity...If I were going to spend a weekend swapping motors and forking out £500+ notes I think I would be inclined to go down the rebuild route...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-August-2005 at 13:58
Yep have to agree there,12 weeks warranty for £550 and all the aggro that goes with it is not worth it, rebuild looks better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-August-2005 at 17:09
I8Mycar. Your car has done 222000miles so everything is going to be well worn. Ok so only the engine is broken at the moment but how long before the gearbox starts to give trouble or the diff etc etc. At those kind of miles I would seriously think about scrapping the car. Even with a rebuilt engine it is going to be worth very little unless you have a book full of BMW stamps and a stack of reciepts. Your best bet is to cut your losses and buy a new car.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-August-2005 at 04:01
well, assuming the shell is in good nick, then the rest is just mechanical...If it is a good iS, I would build a motor and drive it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-August-2005 at 04:27

Thanks again guys,

     It's great reading all your thoughts on the matter. My plan so far is this. Buy any old £400 scrapper with 12 Month ticket and tax to get me to work and back. Advertise the car as a none runner, in the off chance someone is interested and in the meantime I'll try and asscertain the level of damage by pulling the engine apart. You'll probably be seeing a whole load more posts from me over the coming weeks with questtions like "Where is the engine located", " What's a cylinder head", "Should these valves all have ninety degree bends in them" and "Why, now I've put it all back together, do I have a handfull of bits left over?".

I hope you will all be on hand to point me in the right direction as I venture into the unknown.

 

My first question then is this. Is the Haynes manual the best set of instructions for remving the cylider head? or is there somewhere on the internet that has a few more pictures. I don't know about you but the pictures in the Haynes manual are so close up it is sometimes difficult to see where in the engine compartment they are looking.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-August-2005 at 04:52
Haynes manual is OK...It will sow you what you need to disconnect and remove....That's if it covers your engine...

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Hi Again Everyone,

     Okay having been told I'm being made redundant I decided to have a long weekend and check out the cylider head. Using the Haynes manual and squinting at the little pictures I've managed to achieve the following. a)removed the bonnet b)removed the upper and lower inlet manifolds, in the process I've had to unwire the alternator and the starter motor because the wiring loom runs right through the middle of the manifold (not mentioned in the haynes manual) c) removed the exhaust manifold (all bar one of the nuts were rusted solid and the studs came out with the nut any ideas how to get the nuts off?) The manifold doesn't move out of the way properly because of the steering mechanism but I'm hoping this won't cause too much of a problem cause I don't want to remove the manifold from the front of the exhaust because it's really rusty. d) removed the collant hoses and thermostat e) got the cam cover off and after purchasing the correct star socket for the head bolts I've loosened the head.

I'm now in a position to remove the timing chain but I don't have a locking template for the cams and I don't have the locking tool for the flywheel? I figured I could just stick a screwdriver in the flywheel locking hole to find TDC but I can't find the blanking plug on the flywheel housing any ideas?

I'm also starting to think that it is not the timing chain which had gone as it looks fine from what I can see. I actually think it might be the cylinder head gasket which has failed becuse the engine was running hot a week before because the coolant was low?

Any thoughts on the sorting out the cam positions and TDC without the BMW tools?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-September-2005 at 07:32
Don't even try to remove nuts from the studs....just order a set of replacement studs, nuts and gaskets...Makes everything much simpler and for only a few pennies, too!

Tie the manifold back to give enough clearance to remove the head, but I suspect that, now you're at it, it is worth removing the manifold from the exhaust downpipes and replacing the rusted bolts/nuts or studs as sooner or later you will need to do that anyway if it needs a new pipe!

Before disconnecting anything, buy a fine-nibbed white paint pen and mark the cams and sprockets with the crank at TDC so you have some marks to rebuild to...
If all else fails, remove the starter and lock the flywheel with a metal plate or bar against the ring teeth on the flywheel...


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