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shar_k
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Topic: rip off ireland Posted: 29-August-2005 at 06:40 |
Eddie Hobbs covers transport tonite on Rip of Ireland, no doubt he'll cover new car prices and VRT might be worth a look!
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 07:07 |
I can't stand watchin that bloke on TV
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shar_k
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 07:09 |
Yeh but alot of what he says makes sense!
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JohnH
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 07:49 |
Some of what he says does make sense. It's true there are a huge number of people in Ireland who are massively in debt due to their life styles and the first show was good as it highlighted that. And as he said, that's bad debt and in some cases he helped people sort them selves out.
But then he keeps going on about jumbo mortgages etc but never recommends a solution when the choice is a jumbo mortgages or jumbo rent I know which one makes sense to me.
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 07:54 |
anyone that gets government talking bout how we are ripped off im in favor of. Still ahve to ask myself why we live he when id be far better ogff going bak to the uk.
Hopefully he'll talk about the m50
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shar_k
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 07:57 |
I agree it doesnt matter whos raising these issues once somebody is!
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Horsetan
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 08:56 |
shar_k wrote:
Eddie Hobbs covers transport tonite on Rip of Ireland, no doubt he'll cover new car prices and VRT might be worth a look! |
Can't be much worse than rip-off WCUK....
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Robbie Bradford
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 13:51 |
I've seen the last few episodes, these things should be highlighted so i think it's great that someone has decided to air on national TV.
However, i don't think it'll make much difference and we'll all just carry on paying extortioate prices for EVERYTHING! and continue to generate a false economy.
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 14:40 |
I dunno. It is sending out signals to an otherwise ignorant and
apathetic society. This is clearly reflected in the rantings from some
FF/PD quarters.
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kbannon
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 18:13 |
Interesting program but I didn't hear anything I didn't really know.
I think the person in the tallaght VRO was wrong though when she said
he had to pay VAT again on the new Ford after the 17.5% was paid in
Northern Ireland.
It will open some peoples eyes but won't make much difference though!
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kdevitt
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 18:17 |
kbannon wrote:
Interesting program but I didn't hear anything I didn't really know.
I think the person in the tallaght VRO was wrong though when she said
he had to pay VAT again on the new Ford after the 17.5% was paid in
Northern Ireland.
It will open some peoples eyes but won't make much difference though!
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I don't think she was - the mileage was so low (think its below 1000 miles or something) that the VRO consider the car to be new, and impose VAT on it...
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kbannon
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 18:19 |
...even though it was already paid in NI (hypothetically)
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 18:22 |
Same as that K.
You have to wonder why there is no opposition party prepared to raise these issues and tackle the govt., it really does highlight the amount horse ****e these politricksters talk though, while entertaining to watch, it's also scary to see how public money is squandered!
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Posted: 29-August-2005 at 18:31 |
I wonder will the lad in Portlaoise with the pony tail, get a call from Toyota Ireland in the morning about his discounts
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kdevitt
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Posted: 30-August-2005 at 04:01 |
Maybe I took it up wrong - I thought he was pricing a nearly new Focus, which would have VAT @ 17.5 included. (I was half watching, if thats possible) Taking it down South would result in VAT @ 21% + the VRT being due on it, as the mileage was low enough that its classified as new. So VAT is paid twice... have heard of it happening a good few times.
The opposite logic was behind the scam were the guys were buying Bentleys/BMW's/Mercs brand new up north or in the UK, and not paying VAT as they were due for export, then driving them enough to take them above the threshold where the car is considered new, and then registering them here - meaning there was no VAT paid anywhere on them.
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shar_k
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Posted: 30-August-2005 at 04:12 |
Once you register the car down south and pay your vrt + vat you get a rebate of 17.5% vat
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Posted: 30-August-2005 at 04:18 |
Chaps
It was easy to miss but when he put the powerpoint presentation up about the focus afterwards, there was a deduction at the bottom for UK VAT already paid, leaving the difference between the price of importing and purchasing domestically at around €3,500 IIRC. This was different to the video section where he said for dramatic effect to the woman in the VRO that it was €6,900 more expensive (or thereabouts).
You can reclaim the UK VAT paid on new cars (you can't pay VAT twice in the EU).
I actually think the prime time program he referred to was far better and far more factual than this one. Nonetheless, I think the program served a purpose if it gets people off their asses to actually complain and demand some accountability for the chronic waste of public funds that goes on in this country.
The toll fiasco particularly makes my blood boil. Despite the fact that the West Link is an unmitigated disaster, the government is still planning to give private operators the opportunity to collect tolls on lots of new stretches of motorway around the country.
Muppets.
Mick
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Posted: 30-August-2005 at 04:18 |
Fair enough, then VAT isn't being paid twice. However, why is there a
need to pay the VAT here once it was already paid within the EU, even
if a rebate is being offered?
On a €20K (without VAT) car the UK VAT is ~€3500. The Irish VAT is ~€4200. There is about a €700 difference just in VAT alone.
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Posted: 30-August-2005 at 04:37 |
kbannon wrote:
Fair enough, then VAT isn't being paid twice. However, why is there a need to pay the VAT here once it was already paid within the EU, even if a rebate is being offered? On a €20K (without VAT) car the UK VAT is ~€3500. The Irish VAT is ~€4200. There is about a €700 difference just in VAT alone.
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Are cars the only item where you have to pay the Irish vat on them rather than the vat where the car was bought?
I think most people were aware of the VRT costs here, but the new news to me was the planning of private authorities managing the new toll roads in the future.
Are the rumours also true about VRT being abolished on cars above 3.0litre?
Can you imagine going into a dealer and seeing a 330i 20k cheaper than a 325i....
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Posted: 30-August-2005 at 04:39 |
K
Thats the way the entire VAT system works, its not a quirk peculiar to motor vehicles (unlike the VRT). Where I work we often use lawyers in the UK and we effectively have to gross up their bills (which are already outrageous) on the VAT returns to pay at the Irish Rate of 21 and claim credit for the UK VAT paid (unless it relates to services rendered outside the EU in which case it is non-chargeable).
Its a bummer but this is one case in which you shouldnt feel like we motorists are being singled out for any special treatment.
Interestingly, Moore McDowell was on Dunphy this morning and he said one thing that had been missed on the show was the fact that the people who set the values the VRO works off are none other than the Irish Motor Industry. Who have a vested interest in making sure it is totally uneconomical to buy a car from outside the state.
Mick
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