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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Topic: Need Front Wings Posted: 16-December-2005 at 01:42 |
actually the '81 doors have the correct cutouts for either handle type, and various other features that are clearly meant for the later door cards, because they are not used with the early ones. However on bcg I have since read that early doors are not 100% compatible, but can easily be adapted (where it can't be seen) to accept all the later mechanical and trim parts. Haven't tried it myself. Re the metrics; it wouldn't be the first time BMW have introduced stuff at odd times; I have heard of E12 base cars with the later 'A' pillar trim and other oddities.... In fact the 390 metrics were an option for the 635 as early as 1980. Post '82 they were still theoretically optional (except for the M-car), but were pretty much standard 633 and 635 fitment in some markets (eg the UK and the US). Maybe it was some kind of perverse joke; 'lets really snub these english speaking types with their silly 'inches' by forcing them to have lovely metricised wheel rims!' Oh, how golden that future was... And the earlier 14" BBS wheels came in two different widths for the 6er- a small but vital piece of information if you are tracking down a spare....Only the wider one was ever fitted to the 635. cheers |
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UKDaveJ
Really Senior Member II Joined: 18-November-2004 Location: Bromsgrove, Worcestershire Status: Offline Points: 529 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 06:28 |
TRX - sounds like a new Tarantino film, starring Vin Diesel or similar - clearly it would be a horror......
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Drew540i
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Posted: 14-December-2005 at 06:20 |
The difference with the doors is where the interior
handles bolt on - on the E12 is was a trigger grip, on the later car a standard E28 type pull handle. I think the holes for the electric window motors are different too. Metrics began to be fitted to the 6 in May 1982 with the facelift - according to the original BMW press stuff I had. Before that they had 14 inch BBS (635CSi) or the 20 spoke rims on the 628CSi. But I'm sure TRX's might have been an option before that though. |
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UKDaveJ
Really Senior Member II Joined: 18-November-2004 Location: Bromsgrove, Worcestershire Status: Offline Points: 529 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 04:44 |
Look forward to reading your tech article with lots of pics Brucey!
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 00:54 |
I thought the doors were the same and many of the other panels too; could be wrong... I know there are lots of differences round the rear bumper and so on...Inner wings/strut tops, sunroof (eh, Dave....), oh hang on, this is getting to be quite a lot, now... I am breaking an E12 based E24 ('81 build) right now and the doors do seem to be meant to take either early (as fitted) or late types of door card; but maybe its just an illusion of compatibility... Also, the '81 car was also fitted with metrics, so that might not be the only reason for the difference in the wheelarch flare 82-. Maybe as above its a track width increase or maybe its the suspension changes at the front altering the wheel path through the arch on bump and on lock? Anyway a prod at the '81 wings from the parts car showed one of them already to have a lot of filler in, so its back to plan 'a', out with the welding torch and have at it..... BTW the shut panels were almost new- still had the stickers on, both in the 'last five minutes if you are lucky' black primer, no sign of rubberised paint. By the time I'm done (if I ever get it all done, maybe...) I shall be pretty nifty at reconstructive wing surgery, be able to MIG weld in my sleep, have 'nibblers' and flanging tools practically as bodily appendages, and never travel far without jenolite and zinc primer supplies. Agh, if I didn't like driving the things, I wouldn't bother.... cheers
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UKDaveJ
Really Senior Member II Joined: 18-November-2004 Location: Bromsgrove, Worcestershire Status: Offline Points: 529 |
Posted: 13-December-2005 at 18:50 |
Wing differences are bad enough, just don't get me started on how often
the ruddy sunroof design was changed over the years, with the final
change being made just 2 yrs or so prior to the last cars going down
the line!
What was the point on a car about to go out of production? |
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Drew540i
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Posted: 12-December-2005 at 16:34 |
You're absolutely right Brucey - E12 6 Series wings
are different to the later ones and have a much slimmer arch. This is because the Series 2 (E28) car used Metric wheels which, when fitted to the E28 with it's slightly wider track, fouls the arch lips (or so I'm told) I'm not sure if the earlier wings are much, if any cheaper than the later ones. Every panel is different between the E12/E28 based cars except the bonnet and (I think) bootlid. Even the roof is different. |
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eta.
Really Senior Member II Joined: 21-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 599 |
Posted: 12-December-2005 at 16:16 |
Check e12 pt no's vs e28 pt no's on a BM cd if you have one, as i think it will show if the wings supercede and would therefore, be compatible. If you do not have the CD, put in chassis numbers here:- http://www.realoem.com/bmw/select. Your local dealer should be able to advise also. |
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 11-December-2005 at 14:23 |
Yesterday I was doing a bit of 6er wing fixing (I have six wings, for two cars, none perfect....its a long story....) and I noticed something I hadn't seen before. If my observation is correct , 'E12' 6er wings are actually slightly different in another way from 'E28' 6er wings. The indicator repeater hole and the 'A' pillar trim differences are well known and fairly obvious, but it also seems that there is a difference in the wheelarch flare. On the later wings (mine came from an '85 car, one original, one replacement) the flare comes within 1/2" or so of the 'shoulder' ridge in the wing. On wings from an '81 E12 base E24 (again one original, one replacement so far as I can tell) the flare seems to blend in about 1" or more from the shoulder, quite different when you have them both side by side. I still think the early wings will fit a later car, (and vice-versa with suitable modifications) but there may be a different tyre clearance, and they would have to be fitted in pairs; otherwise it'd look lopsided when viewed from the front. Anyone else noticed this, or am I hallucinating, or have weird wings?? cheers
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Jonners
Really Senior Member II Joined: 23-September-2003 Status: Offline Points: 601 |
Posted: 02-December-2005 at 10:10 |
many many moons ago (mid 80's) when I was but a mere Anglia 105E enthusiast (phooey to anyone who laughs) I lived in Manchester and was great mates with the spares rep in the 105E club
Even then the question wasn't so much how much wings cost but whether you could get them at all and there was a huge demand My mate swore by an outfit called Vintage Wings in Stockport who did a lot of high quality top end bespoke panel making and they would restore wings on a one off basis - a very valuable service given that a restored Ford wing would always be better than a new pattern one that cost zillion of pounds. I'm saying all this without checking whether they still offer this service but they are still there if you do a google...might be worth checking out |
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ron.
Newbie Joined: 02-September-2005 Status: Offline Points: 13 |
Posted: 02-December-2005 at 08:03 |
I've just had my new front wings etch primed and sprayed with a rubberised paint (inside) at a local Porsche specialist.Porsche do it from new and it seems to work. If you buy new inner wing shut panels from BMW,one of them comes rubber sprayed and one just in black primer.Why??? |
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Brucey
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Posted: 25-November-2005 at 13:17 |
I agree with drew- I've seen the bodges, but I've yet to put the proper technique into practice on 6er wings. cheers
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Drew540i
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Posted: 24-November-2005 at 17:25 |
Restoring front wings requires removal and getting
them sandblasted - before being ruthless and cutting out all the iffy metal. If you paint the insides properly with red oxide followed by a few thick coats of Hammerite (don't use seam sealer, it's rubbish) and Waxoyl it after painting they'll last forever. A mate of mine rebuilt the front wings on a 1974 VW Passat 10 years ago because they really are not available anywhere and repair was the only option. They're still not showing any bubbling or wrongness. Most bodgers just plate the wings when they're still on the car which is why the rust always comes back. Not only that, but the rust stems from the stupid reinforcing bracket at the front - unless you seam weld it on and use lots of paint and waxoyl the rust will always come back again. |
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RossM6/635
Groupie Joined: 26-May-2004 Location: Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 63 |
Posted: 24-November-2005 at 14:12 |
Hi Dave
These wings were purchased new , one set last year and a set this year for the red M635 . We had to make the rear arches from scratch and completely cut out the old tin worm Well worth the effort though. Regards Ross |
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UKDaveJ
Really Senior Member II Joined: 18-November-2004 Location: Bromsgrove, Worcestershire Status: Offline Points: 529 |
Posted: 23-November-2005 at 17:48 |
Was that a recent purchase Ross?
Can't imagine which cars you've bought them for as I thought all your stable had the benefit of brand newies? Was reading the article in Total BMW about your Highline & was interested to read about the repairs to your rear arches - did you manage to get new steel ones or did you have to repair? |
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RossM6/635
Groupie Joined: 26-May-2004 Location: Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 63 |
Posted: 23-November-2005 at 17:13 |
Hi
I have managed to obtain 2 pairs of front wings from my main dealer for approx £360 each plus VAT. Thats the best i have been quoted from any dealer. Hope that helps. |
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Ross
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RossM6/635
Groupie Joined: 26-May-2004 Location: Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 63 |
Posted: 23-November-2005 at 17:10 |
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B10VYT
Senior Member II Joined: 03-November-2003 Location: Sheffield Status: Offline Points: 169 |
Posted: 23-November-2005 at 12:40 |
These might be worth a bid if they're not too far from you. Does say
there's no rot and when I last looked there were no bids. They are early wings but can be adapted to fit later cars with side repeaters. HERE |
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simonr
Groupie Joined: 31-October-2005 Status: Offline Points: 54 |
Posted: 23-November-2005 at 06:59 |
I get a lot of stuff from a BMW dealer in Guildford (mainly for my motorbikes) and he does me a discount on certain car parts. List price for the wings are something like £480 plus VAT (which is about £1100 the pair inc VAT). He sold me a wing recently for £358 plus VAT (around £850 inc VAT for a pair - and he may come down further). Downside is that you have to collect, but if you want me to have a word with him I'm more than happy to. I wanted a brand new wing as I had the nearside replaced as an insurance claim last year (£1600 done by BMW with some associated items; headlight glass etc) and thought I'd save up for a 'proper' replacement on the offside. Barney at Munichs' told me that refurbs are good for a maximum of about five years but a properly treated new one should outlast that. Edited by simonr |
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dave eck
Newbie Joined: 02-October-2005 Location: manchester Status: Offline Points: 23 |
Posted: 22-November-2005 at 12:02 |
in relation to the wings,bmw want £1100 for a pair unpainted and i spoke to richard at fritz,s he has got a pair of carbon ones but there not suitable for a street car only a racing one,because if you hit something or somebody with them because carbon fibre shatters it will slice them to bits they did,nt have much success with the fibreglass coz they did,nt fit well at all and hes got a pair of refurbished ones for around £400 the pair hope thats some use to you. and ive tried every panel supplier in manchester to find some but to no avail dave |
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