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Poll Question: Are scameras good for road safety ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 12:02

im all for more in built up areas

limits are there for a reson and its not too p us off.

so its simple really

DONT SPEED

look....cut the cr4p and show us ya willy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 10:03

Just to clear a few things up, should any of you venture onto that site ( which I hope you will).

They need to use silly names because they are policemen, and people behave badly towards familys of policmen sometimes ( but I imagine you know that).

They are there volunterily, in their own time, to help people who have already fallen foul of the law, to promote advanced driving, and lastly to have a good old chin wag about driving.

Safety1st : This chap is a serving traffic policeman, ex army, general good old boy, loves driving ( has a nice powerful car of his own ), he works in his own time for a driving school of types, also as a senior observer for the IAM, and an examiner for ROSPA. Remember his job, he can't be seen to say I think its ok to drive on a deserted road at 100 mph.

Vonhossen : This chap is a serving police officer, and is a police advanced trainer. I find he takes a much sterner ( almost judge dredd) stance on the law, and in my view he isn't interested in the "fun" side of driving, as he works and lives in London, he probably gets less chance than the rest of us.

There are other police officers on there, doing all sorts of jobs ( same as here, but most of you don't know who they are!)

Please if you go over there and post, be polite to everyone, there isn't much to be gained from being otherwise, subjects like PC Mark Milton have been discussed at length, and if you look back through the posts, the lads took a lot of stick.

There are people from all sorts of backgrounds, which is what makes it so interesting.

Should you decide to look around you will find all sorts of interesting stuff on there, some you may agree with , some you won't, you can get involved in some discusiions ( like the speed limiter one I've been having with Von http://www.traffic-answers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2483.ne w#new ), where there is little hope of either of us agreeing, but its still useful info.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 08:00

[QUOTE=Goldryder]Sorry but they are required in certain areas as there are Richard Craniums who drive like an idiot for the sheer hell of it in a selfish and irresponsible way. Without camera evidence, including the ones on motorway bridges that film tailgating and not just speed...you know, those cameras on gantries, they run on sensors and photograph you if you are tailgating the car infront.

Until 100% of drivers learn to drive properly and be respectful to others on the roads...such as pedestrians, horses etc..then cameras and any other form of enforcement is a neccessary evil.

What are you talking about ??????????

When was the last time you read that a tailgater had been given points due to the photo taken by a fixed Scam???. Or the selfish middle/outside lane idiot given points Or the Drugged/drunk driver caught on Scam--Tell Me , WHEN??.There is NO ££££££,s in such an idea--you cannot send out automatic fines--you need trafPol and as WE all know they have been made redundant.

Scameras dont Train Road users, but professionals working to a well thought out programme and updated content could do---except we have not had any practical Road transport aware Govt in this country, since the Romans.Respect by drivers has to be earn't by the system providers who are working for their benifits---Not the opposite like todays parasites.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 07:22

 Nigel, perhaps your PO friend needs to get out more often and read less of the brainwash sent out by the Bliar politbureau.Such is the lie,s and distortion of stats now used in this country when Road safety is being discussed, that the voting population does not believe Anything given as so called fact.

He is well aware of how the stats are managed to prove anything , from KSI numbers on a road which allow a Scam to be installed( including the suicide jumping off the overhead bridge) to putting stats under different headings , to show reduction in KSI.Safety partnerships which include Police and magistrates, have lost any respect that the motorist once held.

 Were the so called surveys asking for drivers opinion on Scameras, phased in the usual way?? " Do you think we need More Scameras outside schools, to stop the thousands of children Killed every year" then no doubt a majority would say yes.

Strange isnt it--no mention in the Slime spewed out from Bliars people , of the 68 children Killed last year Inside cars---Scameras wouldnt help--Seatbelts used Would!!!!! but no publicity for this-Why??.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 06:52
Sorry but they are required in certain areas as there are Richard Craniums who drive like an idiot for the sheer hell of it in a selfish and irresponsible way. Without camera evidence, including the ones on motorway bridges that film tailgating and not just speed...you know, those cameras on gantries, they run on sensors and photograph you if you are tailgating the car infront.

Until 100% of drivers learn to drive properly and be respectful to others on the roads...such as pedestrians, horses etc..then cameras and any other form of enforcement is a neccessary evil.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 20:19

there you go Nigel another vote to prove to your mate that you are right

I hate them ( £160 this year & 9 points  ) all with the "sneaky" cam out the back of the van , or the " van on the bridge " ploy

all on good clear days ????????

What they don't seam to value is that they are messing with peoples livelihoods , i for one have been told " you loose your license just pack your tools & go !!!"

Go on, some smart Alec tell me " if you didn't do over the speed limit you would have a clean license"

True

But I don't smoke, rarely drink , i don't nick from folks houses,I've never murdered anyone & in general am a law abiding person, my enjoyment is driving my car & feel that we are just an easy target for a quick buck.

Nigel had a look on the link to the site you gave us . V- interesting site & by golly a very opinionated "Traffic officer " ( you know the bloke the one with the Police Range Rover in his sig ) that in my opinion is exactly the way that most folks see a "traffic police man "

A MAN WITH NO MANORS !!!

( JUST MY OPINION , OR IS IT ??????  )

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 19:53
in Durham County there are no fixed camera sites

and only one or two mobile units that are placed in proven accident blackspots, info of these sites are availble to the public.

And they have the lowest record of RTA's in the country

coincidence i think not
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 19:19

Originally posted by simons5 simons5 wrote:

I have loads of respect for the police, they don't have any thing to do with the cammeras and probably hate the cameras as much as we do.

simon

Some do, some don't.

Were talking about the possibility of speed limiters here http://www.traffic-answers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2483.ne w#new

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 18:46
I have loads of respect for the police, they don't have any thing to do with the cammeras and probably hate the cameras as much as we do.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 18:17

Grampian has the most speed cameras from aberdeen to dundee than nearly any other part of scotland you would think of another way to promote road saftey and speed awarness.

like others have said when people see them they slam on there anchors whether it be in the outside or inside lane with out thinking who or what is behind them

most speed cameras in our area are set at 84mph give to me from a very good source my bro in law who works for a certin police force not to far away from stonehaven

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 14:09
Speed (S)cameras are only there to make money - they are put in stupid locations and can cause accidents by people braking suddenly when they see them. They don't capture dangerous driving which is a far worse menace on the road then safely driving at an appropriate speed (conditions permitting)

Also, did you know that the braking distances in the highway code are based on a Ford Anglia which didn't have discs or seatbelts?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 13:23

Originally posted by Bryce Bryce wrote:

Nigel,

Can you put a "They are ok but sometimes I disagree with the location"?  Otherwise I will probably choose the "ok" option and be shot for it!

I should be able to, but can't work it out.......K, where fore art thou ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 13:17
Nigel,

Can you put a "They are ok but sometimes I disagree with the location"?  Otherwise I will probably choose the "ok" option and be shot for it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 13:06

The latest thread where I'm out of touch and in a minority

http://www.traffic-answers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2474.0

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2005 at 12:58

On another forum, a very likeable, helpful, and well respected Police officer ( Police advanced driving trainer) thinks I'm out of touch with the publics feelings on scamera partnerships and their activities.

He assures me that they have wide public support, and everyone loves the Police !

He won't post on here, but will look at things when I point him to them.

I may indeed be out of touch, so come on, either let him, or me have it, within forum guidelines of course.

 

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