Scamera poll

livvy wrote:   As for tailgaters, increasing speed to get away from them is not the answer.

I Wasn't for a moment suggesting it was.

livvy wrote:  Drive at a speed that you can extend your braking for any potential hazards ahead. So that your initial application can always be very gentle & measured, never needing to be firm or hurried. You are then building time in your application for the tailgater behind so that they won't be surprised by your brakes and adversely react. Think defensively with them in mind & build time in your driving plans to account for their inadequacies.

Planning ahead, ensuring sufficient braking distances - even if everyone ahead thinks you're leaving space for them to pull in - This is all basic driving skills 101, awareness of other road users yes, anticipation of their next move yes. but there are lot of them out there for me to protect .... which one do I choose? the lovley blonde weaving while she applies her mascara or the hoodie wearing neanderthal that's so close it seems he's trying to mount my car in some display of sexual domination?

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on many points discussed here Livvy. But to go full circle and answer one of you earliest questions regarding loss of customer base, you are right, in one sense banning people will cost them money on the long term - but most people don't end up banned just very nervous while they tiptoe around with 6 or 9 points for a couple of years.

The same could be said for us poor smokers (yup one o them too!) We put millions into the coffers of Mssrs Brown & Bliar.... do they thank us, no. Do we get inviter round to No 11 for tea & biccies for being a major contributor, no, We get criminalised, shunned as soon told to go stand outside to enjoy our addiction!

I'm off me soapbox and going to seek some harmonious interaction with a Phillips Azure and some Ben Shermans - can't be looking creased or crumpled as I tear up the highways smoking and scaring old ladies now can I

spokey wrote:   The thing that rankles most about the use of scameras is that they are often sited at places where it's very easy to unintentionally break the speed limit and take absolutely no regard for how you drive overall. You may have driven at or below the speed limit for a whole two hours before, and a whole two hours after, but if your attention should drift for just one minute, you could arbitrarily be a criminal. This is why (for me, anyway) it's a subject that means that no matter what the benefits may be, I will never support them.

This is one of the rare occaisions I find myself in agreement with Spokey.

I agree with spokey on many points, I just differ with how I put them across.

As for smoking, Derek your a good bloke, Livvy stop being such a wimp , living where you do, and breathing that "air", how can you complain about smoke !

The main thing I hope we are seeing here ( and Livvy has taken the time and patience to teach me ), is we aren't going to get rid of cameras.

We of course are in a minority, but not a favoured one like religion, or homosexuals, but like the afforementioned two groups, we do need to band together , somehow, to get our point of view listened to.

That itself is the major challenge that will face us in the next few years.

We have to come up with an alternate strategy to the government, that will reduce ksi's, and leave our hobby intact.

You all know my answer ( advanced driving...regardless of the organisation), what are your options ?, what can you come up with to help ?

IF we do nothing, the people in the know advise it will get worse, much much worse as far as we are concerned.

livvy wrote: Rhys wrote: I doubt we have the best roads in Europe (out car tax gets spent on other things, like copper cladding government buildings - but to digress) and the number of cars on the road is probably greater now than ever before. We have the safest roads (in terms of casualty numbers per mile) of virtually any major nation in the world, let alone Europe.

So if our roads are so safe then why is there such a fuss about speeding?