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livvy wrote: it's the law & has clearly been stated as such for a long long time.

The law is an ass.

The speed limits we now have were inflicted on us many years ago - things have changed - even the police accept that the limits have not changed with the times.

Do you NEVER break ANY law EVER???

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Wow, this subject certainly has people fired up. the trouble is your posts are all too long and i've had too much to drink to read them all  

 

The trouble with speed cameras is that they only look at one aspect of road safety. Sure in some cases exceding the speed limit does cause accidents and fatalities but so do a lot of things. Lack of concentration/attention, tiredness, alcohol, driving too close etc etc. In fact in my 12 years of driving I have found that the two things that have made me feel most uncomfortable are people driving too close and a general lack of attention caused in most parts by mobile phones. The bulk of the crashes I have seen have been caused by Tail gating and or not noticing the car in fronts brake lights. Unless my years of driving have been totally unrepresentative of what happens on the roads today, why is the focus on just on speeding?

Simple, it's easy to catch speeders, requires minimal manpower, which in a world of staff cutbacks is great for the bean counters and it makes money.

Let me put it this way. Any one who drives too close is driving dangerously and endangering lives. The same cannot be said for everyone who breaks the speed limit. So why is the focus on speed? 

 

Nigel wrote: Because its a money spinner Peter

and we'll never get livvy to agree ......

Peter Fenwick wrote: Wow, this subject certainly has people fired up. the trouble is your posts are all too long and i've had too much to drink to read them all

Go for a drive, it will clear your head.

Just don't break the speed limit, OK?












(PS That was a joke! Don't drink and drive, even if you can get past a scamera with impunity!)

spokey wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: Wow, this subject certainly has people fired up. the trouble is your posts are all too long and i've had too much to drink to read them all   Go for a drive, it will clear your head. Just don't break the speed limit, OK? (PS That was a joke!)

 

 

Nigel wrote: The speed limit changes are very easily dealt with, countdown markers should be used at every downward speed limit change. Please don't play the safety card with me Livvy, Hm gov have rendered that one useless with all their cow pooh, it just causes people to switch off now.

You were complaining a couple of minutes ago about too much signage.

As I've said already if they are sufficently posted & clearly visible as per the regulations if you are travelling at a correct speed & paying attention you should not miss them.

We all managed it for our driving tests, shouldn't we be getting better with experience not worse.

the government say speed cameras work .
so why are road deaths up year after year in most areas with cameras.
nigel your right when you say "You prioritise what you are seeing, subconciously, and with experience".

who is the more dangerous , nigel doing 80mph on a empty motorway or a 17 year old who has just pasted thier test doing 30mph in a 30 limit.
personnaly i would trust nigel or anyone with experience than anyone with just a year or two driving.
the reason we have so many accidents is the easy and useless test system we have that allows half blind sloppy careless drivers to be in control of any veihcle.
if i can drive higher than the speed limit taking in all that is around me safely and another cannot then why am i in the wrong, i am made to comply because of others lack of common sense and ability.

so livvy if the government changed the limit tomorrow on a motorway to 80mph that would be ok for you because we must follow like blind sheep what somebody that dont even drive themselves has said we must do.

livvy wrote: Drink drive is dealt with by other more traditional methods, it isn't ignored.

well not at Christmas it isn't!

 

livvy wrote: In fact speed cameras could be said to free up Police to deal with those matters instead of speed enforcement.

you could say that - it would be twaddle, but no-one could stop you saying it!

thepits wrote: The speed limits we now have were inflicted on us many years ago - things have changed - even the police accept that the limits have not changed with the times. Do you NEVER break ANY law EVER???

Things have changed since they were introduced, far more cars on the road, far less tolerance, far more aggressiveness, far more road rage, far less patience, far less courtesy.

Do you NEVER break ANY law EVER???

I don't think so, certainly not knowingly.

spokey wrote: How come I NEVER EVER see a policecar on the motorway doing anything but sitting in a layby with the laser gun out? You can pass the buck on "safety partnerships" but I don't ever see the police pulling people for anything other than speeding. I don't doubt that they do other things, but frankly the weight of my personal experience is that the police appear to be entirely focused on speed only. So it's not freeing them up at all in my experience.

I see very few Police doing any speed enforcement at all. I do see Camera Partnerships, but not regular Police. I do see them running around to other stuff & dealing with collisions though.