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    Posted: 22-November-2005 at 14:19
The Head Gasket failed on my 1992'J plate BMW 730 SE M30 engined with LPG conversion. I have removed the cylinder head today but need to know what to do next. I know I will need to get the head checked/skimmed but I need to know how to strip the cylinder head to enable me to get it to the machinists ready for examination, and what should I use to remove the old bits of gaskets still stuck to the surface without damaging it. Also is there anything I should be doing while I am at it and can my old head bolts be reused? Taking a look on the net I get two conflicting opinions!
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Go to my website below. There is a link to Evansweb. Jon Evans did the headgasket job and made a nice instruction. Hope that helps.

On my page there is also a link to the Haynes Repair Manual.

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Cylinder Head is now off has been pressure tested and skimmed and given the all clear by the machinists. He did mention though that if you on these BMW's that the coolant hass been contaminated by oil to check the oil cooler which he showed me (he blew into the cooler and the the air came straight through the other tube going into the round cooler), apparently air isnt supposed toi be able to blow straight through it....has anyone else heard of this and how do I get to this cooler?
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Sounds like a load of cr*p to me. If oil and water
were really mixing in the cooling system* than you'd
need to replace all the hoses as the oil and water
mayonnaise destroys rubber hoses very quickly.
The 730i doesn't have an oil cooler for the engine oil.
It has, as you know, an automatic gearbox oil cooler
built into the side of the radiator. If that develops a
cross leak you'll have water in the gearbox and ATF
in the coolant. Not Good. Check the colour of the
gearbox oil - any mayonaisse (or a low fluid level)
and you might have found the problem. E38 and E39
cars were more prone to this for some reason.
Just put it back together again and see how you get
on. It's not a bad idea to run some engine degreaser
though the cooling system to clean all the crap out,
about 2 or 3 litres should do it before flushing it out
again with a hose.

I think your mate is referring to the oil cooler ring, a
long steel pipe that goes rather like a kettle element
in between the grille and the radiator. This is a
cooler for the power steering fluid!

*I mean really badly mixing as opposed to a trace of
oil in the header tank. Send me a P.M if you're really
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good info that Andy, just shows what type of 'advice' is given by those not really sure.
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Right......car has been in the garage for since my original post.....never found the time complete the job....I removed the head and then left it headless in the garage! I still haven't got around to refitting it....the head is skimmed, I have the headbolts, gasket set, Bentley's Manual...I'm ready to go.....shall be attempting completion (finally) next week, then got to get her through an MOT! After I have completed the job should I run it on cheap coolant/water mix to remove any contamination in the coolant reservoir and anywhere else as the oil mixed with the coolant....the hoses have obviously been contaminated as well. Is there any websites showing the job or advice on the job ahead? When I removed the cylinder head I removed and dismantled the electrical wiring strip/box that goes to the fuel rail.....this looks like its going to be a nightmare to put back and get to actually work!

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Refitted head and torqued down bolts today. As I was torqueing the bolt next to where the cam pulley sits the head cracked near to where the bolt was as if it was a weak spot of the head. As you can imagine I was extremely p***ed off about this as I had just bought a new radiator. I really do give up....the cars been standing for over 8 months and when I finally get around to completing the job....this happens. Anyone want an 1992 LPG 730 SE?
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I'd have the lpg kit for my 635?
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Its gonna be finished for summer!!! thats the plan!!!
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Someone off a BMW forum has offered me a complete engine with a reconned head. Does anyone know of any reputable garages/people near to the West Midlands who could replace my engine (bear in mind it had an LPG conversion to have to be taken into consideration).
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My cousin Nick is a proper technician and has a lot of LPG experience. He's near York though, I think he has a trailer. He won't be the cheapest, but you'll get a proper job and not be 'tucked up' by some muppet outfit.

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Thanks for the response. Is he a BMW specialist? Is he familiar with the M30 engine?
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He sorted out someone's 750 that had others scratching their heads. He builds and races (or used to) rally cars. Restores Lotus's down to the last bolt for wealthy clients. Has done LPG conversions and his work is tidy, like OE, not a buggers muddle that you sometimes see. He did have some association with a BMW dealership, but is not a BMW specialist per se. The M30 is pretty straightforward compared to a double bank 750!

I think he has a trade pal that is a BM specialist.
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Thanks for that mate. I've emailed him with all the details so we'll see what he says. You can imagine how frustrated I am with this car. Since I bought it almost a year to the day I've done approx 500 miles in it only! Think I should have bought the LS400 I promised myself before seeing the Beamer.
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It sounds like your car was not properly maintained by the previous owner/s. You might just as well had the same issues with a Lexus, but I am guessing that parts would be one heck of a lot more expensive.

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Thanks mate. I await your cousins response with baited breath!
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The LPG install doesn't come into it - it can be
carefully removed from the inlet manifold and refitted
by any competent mechanic.
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I know but you'd be amazed the amount of mechanics who don't want to know when you mention an LPG conversion....even if the job is nothing to do with it.
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Well, if you can get the car up to M1 J28 area I can
have a look and if it warrants it, source and fit a
decent cylinder head. I haven't done an M30 for a
good couple of years but can still remember how it
all goes together - not as easily as an M20!
I'd need it for a couple of weeks tho and there can be
absolutely no guarantees that it will be 100% perfect
- that's the problem with old engines, and especially
old engines that have been apart before. Having said
that, it the block is okay (no cracks around the bolt
holes) and the replacement head has no obvious
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Thanks for your assistance. My main problem now is I have the 730 sat in my garage with the head on...as soon as I torqued up the bolts and the crack occurred I left everything else as I was completely deflated by it. Therefore the timing chain is still disconnected from the camshaft and I presume when I come to move the car onto a low loader the timing will be knocked out and I could cause valves to strike pistons? Since I've been posting about this problem I have been offered a head from someone who has one laying dormant in his garage, and obviously the engine that I mentioned previously but its whether you think I should go for complete engine or just the head.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Drew540i Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-July-2006 at 16:00
It sounds to me like the valve-poston thing has
already occurred - i.e piston at TDC and the head
going on with a valve down. This puts pressure on
the valve and if it doesn't break a rocker first it might
just split the head where the rocker shaft sits. I can't
see why a head would otherwise crack when being
torqued down.
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