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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 09:29
Saw your car passing me by earlier on, Sean.  Sounds and looks VERY nice!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 09:44

My car had 87000 miles when I bought it which does put people off especially with dealers reluctant to drop prices, But after speaking to my firiends in teh trade they hate taking big engined cars part ex and will give rock bottom trade ins on them as they hate having to shift them on.  That aside I have a bbtb and manifold on the 323 with a gruppe m rep, dyno'd at 191.6, a remap and exhaust should seee me touching 200.  The 323 was heavily restricted by bmw to stop it encroaching on sales of its bigger and more expensive brothers.  I love my 323, its the perfect mix of power and sensibility.  Only E36 Id look at is the M3 now.

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 10:38

Originally posted by Fey! Fey! wrote:

Saw your car passing me by earlier on, Sean.  Sounds and looks VERY nice!
cheers, have seen yours quite a bit lately aswell

I kind of have my mind made up, but mike has a good point that i could get a 95 M3 for about that money. To be honest id rather a 328i sport because of running costs and the fact it will be a newer car. An e36 M3evo is simply out of the question as the VRT is stupid money on these and we dont even have the 98octane petrol in this country that is recommended for these cars. One disadvantage of the 328i over the M3 is the LSD. Would this affect the driving experience at all???? I believe traction(ASC) is on the later models of the 328i...

And Mike my current 318is has 123k miles on it and still sweet as a nut. Mileage dosent bother me as long as i have a history!

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 11:04
The original E36 325 had 192 Bhp
328 launched in 1996 had 193bhp restricted for German tax purposes if I am correct
325 launched in 1996?? was restricted to 173bhp as per above not impact 328 sales

The 325 inlet manifold can be fitted to either engine (I believe) and with the BBTB shows a gain of 15 - 20 bhp in both cases.

BHP is one thing - torque is a bigger factor, some figures below, BTW most magazine test have the 328 at sub 7 secs 0-60

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1991cc, 150 bhp @ 5900 rpm
140 lbf.ft @ 4200 rpm
0-62 mph: 9.9 secs (10.6 auto)
Max speed: 134 mph (134)
Economy: 31.4 mpg (28)

323i
2494cc, 170 bhp @ 5500 rpm
181 lbf.ft @ 3950 rpm
0-62 mph: 8.0 secs (9.0)
Max speed: 141 mph (139)
Overall economy: 31.4 mpg (28)

325i
2494cc, 192 bhp @ 5900 rpm
181 lbf.ft @ 4700 rpm
0-62 mph: 7.9 secs (8.9)
Max speed: 145 mph (144)
Overall economy: 28.2 mpg (29.6)

328i
2793cc, 193 bhp @ 5300 rpm
206 lbf.ft @ 3950 rpm
0-62 mph: 7.3 secs (7.8)
Max speed: 147 mph (144)
Overall economy: 30.7 mpg (27.7)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 12:38
Here you go - may be of some help

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E36 Coupe buying guide
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 13:38

follow your heart if you want it, your head if you dont lol

Im seriously thinking of getting a E90 and saying feck it all after seeing the pics of the essen show, now whos mad lol


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I have a 97 323i coupe sean.I find that it has plenty of grunt and it'll pull like a train once you're over 3k rpm.I hav'nt driven a 328i but i would imagine it's biggest advantage over the 323i would be slightly more grunt lower down in the revs.As the figures go the 323i has 170 bhp as standard,the 328i has 193.You can extract 200 plus bhp from the 323i easily and inexpensively enough:(bbtb,manifold,remap,exhaust,ca induction) .My 323i has been dyno'd at 185bhp with just the eisenmann cat-back exhaust.That's getting close to standard 328i power anyway.It's up to you at the end of the day.But if it were me id go for a non evo e36 m3 before id change my 323 for a 328 tbh.

Another note on the nikasil issue.The quality of fuel has improved a lot with regard to sulpher content since 1996(when the affected cars were produced)and it was'nt actually a design fault with the engines,it was caused by low grade fuel with high sulpher content reacting over time with material in the cylinder bores.I think that people are overreacting a bit on the nikasil thing.If a 323i or 328i is on it's original nikasil block and has 70k or more miles on it without having any symtoms of premature cyl-bore wear then it will prob.go on to do 200k or more with no nikasil issue because this problem normally appeared at lower milages(30-40k miles).And how many of thes cars are left that have less than 40k miles considering they were only produced up until 99.

My 323i is on it's original block afaik,has no nikasil issue,no excess oil use,no power loss(185bhp on dyno) and there is 91k miles on her now!.And im not planning to sell it any time soon.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-November-2005 at 16:24
Having owned a 328 and an M3, I'd go back to a 328 before an E36 M3 Evo.  As I said the E36 M3 Evo is a superb car but having had both on track and on the road, a 328 will give an M3 a run for its money.

It may not have it in top end or on a long straight but through the twisty bits its virtually as good.  I loved the M3 but to extract its true potential for track use would cost a mint and totally compromise it on the road.  On the road the 328 upset just as many scoobies, TTs etc etc as the M did and the overall cost of ownership was far lower on the 328.

I would buy another 328 but I don't think I'd buy another E36 M3 Evo (my one was a beauty as the lads can testify), I'd much prefer an E30 M3 as I reckon its a lot more fun. The M3 Evo was only starting to wind up on the wrong side of 100mph.

I can't comment on the non Vanos M3 but for regular road use in Ireland I'd personally go with the 325, 323 or 328.

If you don't want to modify to extract the power and want the best bang for your buck then I'd choose the 325, Older, cheaper, no engine mods to affect your insurance, virtually the same power as the 328 with the tax of the 323. Leaves money to get a LSD and totally upgrade the suspension and brakes.

Talk to TJ as he has added an LSD and trick suspension to his.


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I've had my 328i for 18 months now. The main running worry for people is fuel and tax. Here's my fuel log for the time I've had it:

328i Miles Litres MPG
394 56.5 31.66
739 107.5 31.21
374 55 30.87
573 84 30.97
275 42 29.73
401 55 33.10
347 56.2 28.05
389 56.4 31.31
784 108 32.96
430 58.6 33.31
407 55.6 33.23
412 56 33.40
346 46.9 33.49
393 58 30.76
818 128 29.01
313 54 26.32
264 44.8 26.75
406 59 31.24
356 53 30.50
416 63.22 29.87
667 102 29.69
748 114 29.79
461 86.5 24.20
304 55 25.09
237 42 25.62
342 49 31.69
379 54.4 31.63
387 56.5 31.10
411 55.3 33.74
277 48 26.20
553 87 28.86
418 70 27.11
261 40.5 29.26
384 57 30.59
416 74 25.52
329 52 28.72
357 53 30.58
290 48 27.43
397 54 33.38
401 55 33.10
384 59 29.55
485 71 31.01
338 57 26.92
372 58 29.12
543 76 32.44
944 137.22 31.23
447 68 29.84
880 145 27.55
410 67 27.78
585 81 32.79
359 54 30.18
391 55 32.28
628 111 25.69
571 94 27.58
339 59 26.09
375 56 30.40
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In day to day running, a stock 323i is nearly the same car. But take  that attitude you may as well get a 318is - the returns always diminish the more horse/bigger engine you get - I think Martins points are particularly relevent here. You can bump the 323 up to 328 power as mentioned, but the same conversion will bump a 328 (rolling roaded at 200bhp+ in stock anyway) to 215+bhp. Add an exhaust and a chip to this and you're approaching 230bhp and more for some of the UK members. And buckets of torque giving it a slightly lazier drive for decent speed.

I've got a nice spec as it is a non-sport, but has full leather, and a factory-fit LSD. This transforms the car. And with the AC Schnitzer suspension it is like a M3-lite with less tax, insurance, and fuel bills. And damn near as quick around a circuit like Mondello.

In terms of resale, one of the earlier comments (by Dergside I think?) is spot on. Tis a sleeper at the mo, but a clean well-specced one will be a natural progression from E30 325i sports as they become more expensive and rarer. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-December-2005 at 07:49

Bloody hell never met a guy whos logged his fuel for that long!  You must do a lot of motorway miles cos around dublin Id be lucky to get those returns in a  323.

Its purely a wallet decision, if you can face up to paying the extra in tax and insurance for owning it.  My own personal opinion is if Im going to pay that I may aswell stump the extra and buy a earlier M3 thatsd been well looked after.


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Bloody hell never met a guy whos logged his fuel for that long! 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-December-2005 at 08:46

Have to say the 328 was the best car I've owned and I'd choose it any day of the week over the 323. Took a while to shift but thats the same with any performance car in this country.

Contemplating an M3 Evo at the moment but thats just because i've already been there with the 328

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-December-2005 at 03:00
Still my favourite and I passed you down Carrig the other week turning into your estate there was nearly a tear in my eye Even though the Fiat Coupe 20VT was faster and a stunning looking car it just didn't have the goods on the 328. The Triumph GT6 will be on its way to a new home soon, that dreaded mortgage is about to arrive!! However as mentioned before come the summer something nice is beckoning
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-December-2005 at 03:39

I must have a lamp off the GT6 b4 it goes.. (I know I keep sayin that & have done nowt about it )

Nice one on gaffs and summer toys. Where did you (ye) buy?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-December-2005 at 03:25

Oh I bought it in the UK a shadow of the car it is now. I've put between 7 and 8 grand plus a lotta time, sweat, skin, blood and tears into it. Was a good experience all round though.

In case anyone was interested there's a 328i coupe for sale on www.cruiseirl.com its 96 with 114K on the clock boston green but doesn't have a limmo leather or colour coded skirts/bumpers. However it is for sale for only 4200 and I'd imagine you knock at least 500 bucks off that as the guy seems desperate to sell. Was very tempted myself would make a cheap project I'd say

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Originally posted by seanf seanf wrote:

 One disadvantage of the 328i over the M3 is the LSD. Would this affect the driving experience at all???? I believe traction(ASC) is on the later models of the 328i...

I asked Brendan Purcell when he put his limmo into the 318is what difference it made to the car, and he told me it was the single biggest performance upgrade you could have. I was sceptical, until I got one. They transform the car for standing starts; when going around a circuit they are indispensible, and they are generally great fun for roundabouts etc. ASC is such a poor substitute. Beyond gaining traction in a field and dubious safety benefits (such as Mondello when a few had the rear break under power, or spin the inside rear, despite it being on), ACS adds nowt to the performance of a car in my opinion.

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What are the visual differences between a regular 328i and a sport?
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I asked Brendan Purcell when he put his limmo into the 318is what difference it made to the car, and he told me it was the single biggest performance upgrade you could have. I was sceptical, until I got one. They transform the car for standing starts; when going around a circuit they are indispensible, and they are generally great fun for roundabouts etc. ASC is such a poor substitute. Beyond gaining traction in a field and dubious safety benefits (such as Mondello when a few had the rear break under power, or spin the inside rear, despite it being on), ACS adds nowt to the performance of a car in my opinion.



And I have a lot less power than you!

Actually after the spin in your car TJ, a 328i is a distinct possibility to replace my 318is - maybe in a few years!
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