It’s all about safety!

livvy wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: Oh and I'm not happy that the Cleveland prosecution rate is 99% You'd rather it was 100% as Spokey seems to be suggesting it was if the Police were serious about dealing with speeding ?

No, i'd rather it was 0%

livvy wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: livvy wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: Oh and I'm not happy that the Cleveland prosecution rate is 99% You'd rather it was 100% as Spokey seems to be suggesting it was if the Police were serious about dealing with speeding ? No, i'd rather it was 0% Is that for your potential benefit  OR road safety's ?

Both. I don't believe cameras make roads safer, at least not where they have been sited in Cleveland, and I really didn't appreciate getting caught by one last year.

livvy wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: Both. I don't believe cameras make roads safer, at least not where they have been sited in Cleveland, and I really didn't appreciate getting caught by one last year. What about if it had been a Police officer that had prosecuted you for your speeding offence. Would that have been different ?Would have been the same result wouldn't it ?

An officer has Discretion, a camera hasn't, so perhaps the result COULD have been different?

livvy wrote: thepits wrote: livvy wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: Both. I don't believe cameras make roads safer, at least not where they have been sited in Cleveland, and I really didn't appreciate getting caught by one last year. What about if it had been a Police officer that had prosecuted you for your speeding offence. Would that have been different ?Would have been the same result wouldn't it ? An officer has Discretion, a camera hasn't, so perhaps the result COULD have been different? The camera has the discretion built in along with the exact same guidelines that the officer has for that road type.

Humans have REAL Discretion, not a compterised 50mph+Xmph

They have the ability to assess the whole situation - not just that someone happened to be exceeding the limit at a moment in time.

Remember "Computers don't make errors, what they do, they do on purpose" i.e. they do what they are told, whether it happens to be right or wrong in a particular circumstance.

They have NO discretion - "Oh, I won't report this bit of speeding because he had to break the limit for a moment because of..... whatever"  

They are just a cheap alternative to real policing.

thepits wrote: They have NO discretion - "Oh, I won't report this bit of speeding because he had to break the limit for a moment because of..... whatever"

Because of what ?
Poor planning ?

thepits wrote: livvy wrote: thepits wrote: They have NO discretion - "Oh, I won't report this bit of speeding because he had to break the limit for a moment because of..... whatever"   Because of what ? Poor planning ? Oh Livvy - give it a rest! Not even the most perfect of us can plan for ALL the other idiots on the road!

I'm seriously trying to visualise a scenario where accelerating over the speed limit in order to get out of trouble would be the only/best course of action, where you would never have been able to see or wouldn't have been able anticipate the problem before you had to resort to that


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Forget the perfect line we've done with that one.

It's a serious question, thepits was intimating that you would do it beacuse of others actions.

I'm trying to visualise where in normal driving you would have to break the limit out of necessity & that a Police officer should show discretion because of that. I'm struggling to visualise it, if you were doing everything else right in the first place.

I can visualise perhaps where people (because of other mistakes made) use speed to get themselves out of trouble, but that is not a position of strength to expect or request a Police officer to show you some leniency on the speeding.
 
i.e.
Let me off please, I had to do it to cover for some other gaff or poor decision that I made.




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When you are passing an artic' on a dual carriageway I put my foot down - if I'm breaking the limit as I pass I'm not bothered as long as I pass it safely, move back into the outside lane and return back to a legal speed.
I always hang back so I have a clear pass by them as well - say if someone else is also overtaking.
And if you don't think this is a good enough reason to break the speed limit - then ask a lorry driver how big their blind spot is. Once you get past the back end you dissapear until you are about ten foot in front of the cab.
I also check the road ahead to see if there is any reason why the lorry may pull out.

Rhys wrote: When you are passing an artic' on a dual carriageway I put my foot down - if I'm breaking the limit as I pass I'm not bothered as long as I pass it safely, move back into the outside lane and return back to a legal speed.

You'd be bothered if you got prosecuted (which you could) wouldn't you ?

I always hang back so I have a clear pass by them as well - say if someone else is also overtaking. And if you don't think this is a good enough reason to break the speed limit - then ask a lorry driver how big their blind spot is. Once you get past the back end you dissapear until you are about ten foot in front of the cab.

Do you drive artics Rhys ?
I do & that isn't quite true is it ?

I also check the road ahead to see if there is any reason why the lorry may pull out.

As you should for any vehicle you wish to pass.



My point is.......
Your plan to overtake a vehicle shouldn't necessitate your breaking the speed limit for it to be safe.
When you look at the potential overtake, if it is not definitely safe to complete without exceeding the speed limit from the outset, then the overtake is not on in the first place.
Why would you expect a Police officer to take any view other than that one ?
(i.e An overtake is only definitely safe & on, if you can do it remaining within the speed limit at all times. If it requires you to exceed the speed limit to be safe, then it is as the result of poor planning.)

If you speed to overtake vehicles on a driving test it will be counted as an error won't it.

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spokey wrote: You just aren't planning properly, Rhys. Let livvy tell you how you can do it better.

Spokey - you're not quite right .......

"Let Livvy tell us how we can live our whole life better"! ((their way!)

mmmmm, that sounds better.