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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:49

The ultimate would be back to my 520.  It's sat on my drive, SORN, I throw petrol in it every now n then and let it tick-over for about an hour a week.  She starts before the first engine rev. every time.  The MoT failed due to emmisions, almost raw fuel in the exhaust!  All it needs is a Head off, sump off, pistons out, replace rings (Pot 6 is no compression, pot 4 is 50% and pot 2 is 20%) so may as well replace all six ring sets.  Rebuild with a new gasket set and torque bolts etc.  Or, drop in another M20 lump from a donor car.  Down here is Sth Wales, there is no specific BMW scrapyard (As I had up in Preston) so spares are a bit of a nightmare.  I reckon the above work is near a £1,000 so it would be folly to do.  Unless there is a volunteer on here?   Pretty please?

I have tried the temp. repair of "Piston seal" but it hasn't worked (Mind you, it's not been driven, only ticked over).  By removing appropriate leads, she runs, albeit rough, on the 3 good pots but won't even tick over on the 3 bad pots.  I've checked all the electric/fuel/air possibilities because I still find it odd that 3 pots have gone, yet the other three are perfect - the spark plugs are spot on.  The three plugs from the bad pots are oily black and oily wet.  Such was the torque of the M20 engine, this fault did not show itself when driving (I knew it was there 'cos I wire-brushed the plugs every Friday) and replaced them every two months.

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:49

Indeed. I'm of the same opinion, T.J. .. . But now I am now very afraid indeed. You have a fuel log?! I do feel slack now. I think I had a receipt, somewhere, once. Until the cat ate it. But a log?! Very impressive!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:46
thats what you call fastidious record keeping-must be an accountant methinks !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:40

I'd a 518i for 33k, a 520i 12v briefly, and a 525i 24v for 30k. the 518i is a grand machine, & I wouldn't consider it underpowered at all compared to the 12v 520i. It's frugal enough, needs a bit of revving to get going, but it motors along very well. I know with 12points you won't be speeding, but it lugs away merrily to 115mph not a bother, and the 4cyl engine means it has great handling & fantastic turn-in over the 6cyl models. My fuel log for 23k of those miles is below:

518i Miles Litres MPG
448 48.91 41.58
322 52.18 28.02
454 52.86 38.99
311 49.07 28.77
336 52.18 29.23
412 56.86 32.90
459 63.42 32.86
424 60.97 31.57
450 62.66 32.60
504 62.17 36.80
512 69.96 33.23
455 66.00 31.30
508 65.44 35.24
535 62.16 39.07
509 66.89 34.55
483 69.56 31.52
1015 126.80 36.34
785 106.52 33.46
510 65.39 35.41
1115 162.25 31.20
503 79.89 28.58
461 60.00 34.88
412 66.00 28.34
215 35.00 27.89
493 63.18 35.43
662 88.00 34.15
414 64.37 29.20
441 60.00 33.37
391 61.76 28.74
384 62.50 27.89
409 58.22 31.89
857 126.00 30.88
499 69.00 32.83
457 67.13 30.91
723 94.50 34.73
971 131.00 33.65
909 126.72 32.57
393 56.46 31.60
780 101.00 35.06
435 65.00 30.38
499.1 65.50 34.59
450.6 65.00 31.47
438 62.99 31.57
308 42.50 32.90
525 64.00 37.24
23051.7 3193.97 32.77

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:03

True, and (old shape!) I know you aren't even looking at big sixes, but that was 1990. Also the E34 is so much slipperier (! hmm, not sure on that word!) than an E30...

anything you buy now will be subject to so many variables for MPG - engine cleanliness, non-oem parts fitted, bearing wear, tyre choices, etc. etc.

Back to the 518 then old chap!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:55
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

err, auto's are worse on mpg!?!



Not according to BMW.

Average fuel consumption in the Sept 1990 brochure states:-

518 - 34.9 mpg (not available with auto)

520 - 28.8 mpg (auto 29.1)

525 - 29.7 mpg (auto 29.7)

535 - 24.8 mpg (auto 25.0)

My '92 manual 520 (pre vanos M50) got around 22 mpg in stop/start commuting & a best of 34 mpg on a long motorway run.

My '93 E30 316 Touring manages 28 mpg with 33 mpg motorway. Low gearing makes it surprisingly nippy but noisey & thirsty with it.

I would say if you are going for 6 cylinders make it a 525 else stick with the 518.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:54

true, but the 535i, auto as well, did 27 average! Best on a run from nottingham to london (limit + 25/30 mph) was 34mpg!!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:46

Sorry, you are correct, it looked like I was talking thru my a***!

I should have said (As I was thinking but not typing) Autos with Cruise Control used will usually beat the manual equiv. because the minor changes in RPM caused by driver fidgets or speed variations will ruin the constant that is achieved by a CC.

Without CC, the manual will beat the auto because of the loss of torque and fewer gears in an auto. Obviously, round town CC can't be used so the autos are very poor mpg there. Not doubting your figures at-all - it's just a surprise to me that from my mid to high 20's on average, to your 20 is a staggering drop - up there in the 25% area.  I personally don't like autos, but these figures are the final justification on steering away from them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:07

err, auto's are worse on mpg!?!

I had the car checked out by both main dealer (lovetts) and an indy (at lydiard millicent, swindon, can't remember the name) and she got a full bill of health?

The thing that bugged me was that pulling away was bordering on dangerous, it was that slow! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:46
Hmm, 20mpg from a 520 auto is very poor.  I was getting 29 on longer runs, and 23 round town from my manual 1989 520SE.  I even got 36mpg on a long 65-70mph drive from Preston to the top of Scotland.  On the basis that an auto is a few mpg better than it's manual equiv., your 20mpg implies that something was wrong - maybe?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:34

Having not driven an 518 I can't speak for it, but the 520 (12v) really was awful at anything less than motorway cruising 85mph+

Maybe a manual is better? Go 518!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 06:18

Hi all, thanks for the replies.  Another fact I didn't declare is that, much as I would like a 2.5 litre or even bigger, the insurance would be prohibitive......I'm on 12 points, not through boy-racer driving, but for 3 times 30 something in 30 zones plus a 48 in a 40 (Magis Court accepted plea of hardship and thus gave me a fine and 3 points (Making 12) with conditions........but that's another story!)  My insurance shot up even though by default I am now the most careful driver on the road! (They didn't buy that argument)

Last summer, because my beloved 520 failed MoT on emmisions (Another long story that senior members of this forum will be familiar with), I was forced to find a car for £500 in 2 days.  I got an 1800 Ford Orion Ghia (Oh the shame, the shame!) so I want to stick with an 1800cc for insurance purps, but dearly miss my 5 series.  So, E34 518 versus E34 520....will I notice a difference????  Obviously, going back UP to any BMW from the Ford will be a great improvement!  I still get to drive my wifes E36, driving it is superb, it's just the carp interior trim (Falls to bits) and small boot that annoys me on that!

I have considered an E30 318, but they are getting on a bit now and most of the ones I see for sale have been lowered, de-chromed and IMO other abominations done to them, or have been clearly ragged to the red line on a daily basis (Opinion based on a talk/test drive with the selling owners).

Phew, that was a ramble.Big Smile

 

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:30
maybe some use? - my 520i auto averaged 20mpg in its life with me, my 535i auto averaged 27mpg on the same routes and traffic conditions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:25
Originally posted by TRACKPIG TRACKPIG wrote:

95 miles on a tenner out of a 2.5 m20?


must of been a few years ago with cheaper petrol prices.


 



sorry meant to say the 520 was m20 and the 525 was m50
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-January-2006 at 18:18
Hi Paul,

I have never owned a 518 but did have a 520 (89 M20).

Compared to the 525 (M50,s) I have owned there is absolutely no comparison so I would guess that a smaller 4 cylinder lump is going to be worse performance wise & I doubt if the 2cc difference will actually save you anything on fuel as the engine will have to work harder (IMO).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-January-2006 at 12:01

95 miles on a tenner out of a 2.5 m20?

must of been a few years ago with cheaper petrol prices.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-January-2006 at 11:12
Hi Paul

I used to have an e34 520 and e34 525. The 520 was an absolute pig on juice compared to the 525.

In the 520 I used to get around 65 mile to a tenner compared with the 525 where I used to get around 95 mile to a tenner. I dont drive like an old man either!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-January-2006 at 10:36

Hi Paul. I had an 525 E34, and now have a E34 518. My wife drove/drives both more than I do. I have E24 635csi and E38 740i. That being noted only in that when I say I get in the 518 and don't find it underpowered it surprises me - but it's true. Gearing is different, and engine sound naturally different. But it's terrific and economical; costs my wife £20 every two to three weeks to run it, compared to £15 a week we'd spend on the 525. It has an upgraded ECU; I don't know if that's the reason for its get-up-and-go entirely. But -- and I'd never have thought it I'd be saying it! -- it's a real gem and, based on your description above, perhaps well worth a shot.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-January-2006 at 10:29

Hi Rhys, the old E30 2 litre had the 6 cyl. M20 Engine in it, as did the old E34.  The 318's and 518's had a 4 cylinder lump in them and are reputed to be "Not as good" as the 6.  The E34 was built for the 2.5 litre version of the M20 (And upgrades), the 2 litre engine was put in for us skinflints in Europe :-)  The US didn't want the 2 litre hence the Bentley manual doesn't cover it.

I was wondering how the 1.7 tonne E34 coped with a 4 cylinder engine in it....for example, is the loss of power balanced by the much lighter engine?     

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-January-2006 at 10:06
I was told by an ex owner of an E28 518 that it was underpowered. I never had problems with the power in my old E30 320i (expect it will be similar engine), then again I didn't go for performance - more of a cruiser. The E34 I expect will weigh a few pounds more. Many say the 2.5 litre engine is better all round than the 2.0 litre (including economy) But then it got me from A to B and several thousand miles in between and only went wrong a few times.
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