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B 7 VP
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Topic: White Van Man gets ££££Millions Posted: 25-January-2006 at 10:52 |
One of the Most incompetant of many within the politbureau, A.Darling-- has decided that your taxpayers money, will be spent giving 200,000 White Van drivers "Driving Lessons" obviously they MUST be the reason for our KSI stats.Instead of implementing a Complete NEW driving Test for the 21st century which would improve safety--the DFT wants to continue its disaster after disaster, in the hope that nobody notices the failures, and the £££££££ continue to roll into the Govt.Slime account
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4646008.stm
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livvy
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 10:58 |
So enforcemnts a bad idea & now education is too
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spokey
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 11:01 |
livvy wrote:
So enforcemnts a bad idea & now education is too
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No livvy, selective education is a bad idea. Plus, this smacks of discrimination, or have you left your sandals at home today?
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B 7 VP
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 11:15 |
Dig up your records--Quote my comments on enforcement being a bad idea------and my comments on MORE Trafpol that can stand up to Govt brainwash.
My My !!!it HAS really got up your nose that the Association Of British Drivers being INDEPENDENT of Slush funds and Taxpayers money --ie Scamera-Police-Local Authority-Courts-can present Facts without the need to Spin to suit their lies--YOU should know this.
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livvy
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 11:18 |
Why is selective education bad ? This is not forced education, it's voluntary.
There was an alarming rise in TWMV deaths on our roads & to counter this the bikesafe program was set up. Educating & developing basic skilks of just motorcyclists in relation to that problem. This wasn't forced education, it was offered (at a cost to riders) if they wanted to take it up. Many did & the response from those who did was very positive.
The stats show business users are a problematic area in relation to risk, so an initiative is set up to offer further training (voluntarily) to a sub set of that group as a trial. If it reaps positive benefits it can/may be extended to others.
I really don't see how offering (not forcing) education to a group that are shown to be at higher risk of collisions is a negative thing.
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livvy
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 11:20 |
B 7 VP wrote:
Dig up your records--Quote my comments on enforcement being a bad idea------and my comments on MORE Trafpol that can stand up to Govt brainwash.
My My !!!it HAS really got up your nose that the Association Of British Drivers being INDEPENDENT of Slush funds and Taxpayers money --ie Scamera-Police-Local Authority-Courts-can present Facts without the need to Spin to suit their lies--YOU should know this. |
Facts What facts like you can't be prosecuted for headlamp flashing other drivers as a warning of a camera site (as per Glendinning case)
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Rhys
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 11:35 |
You lot had better watch out, I'm going to be White Van man tommorrow.. When I get behind the wheel of that Trannie small children are dragged off the streets - people throw themselves into bushes..
I can agree that for new drivers who have just passed their test in Micra or Fiesta - getting behind the wheel of a van can be daunting, most if the time there is no rear view center mirror due to solid rear doors and you have to watch your width/length particularly when reversing. Other than that, they are easy to drive - more car like than van like.
One trouble is that people discriminate aganst van drivers (Silver now, White is last years colour darling), cars have to get in front of you for fear of being held up etc. Van drivers get wound up and aggressive due to the other morons on the road - cutting them up, undertaking, being pulled out on from roundabouts - junctions etc.
The amount of bad driving I've seen especialy and mostly in a morning is unbelievable. The amount of times I've wished for a traffic cops to be pressent at that time is quite often. You can't just blame 'White Van Man', other motorists are a big causation factor in the equation.
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livvy
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 11:47 |
Rhys wrote:
You lot had better watch out, I'm going to be White Van man tommorrow.. When I get behind the wheel of that Trannie small children are dragged off the streets - people throw themselves into bushes..
I can agree that for new drivers who have just passed their test in Micra or Fiesta - getting behind the wheel of a van can be daunting, most if the time there is no rear view center mirror due to solid rear doors and you have to watch your width/length particularly when reversing. Other than that, they are easy to drive - more car like than van like.
One trouble is that people discriminate aganst van drivers (Silver now, White is last years colour darling), cars have to get in front of you for fear of being held up etc. Van drivers get wound up and aggressive due to the other morons on the road - cutting them up, undertaking, being pulled out on from roundabouts - junctions etc.
The amount of bad driving I've seen especialy and mostly in a morning is unbelievable. The amount of times I've wished for a traffic cops to be pressent at that time is quite often. You can't just blame 'White Van Man', other motorists are a big causation factor in the equation. |
It's not about blame. It's about a sub set of a high risk group (business users) being offered (initially) free to them further training, the idea being that hopefully the training can do something about reducing the risk to members of that group. This should be viewed as something positive. How many times do we hear people here saying it's too much about the government focusing on speeding & prosecuting, not educating ? They then introduce a scheme to address & attempt to reduce the risk to a vulnerable group (I say again offered not forced) & once again people are bleating. Perthaps it's got nothing to do with the subject matter. Perhaps people are just are happier when they are moaning.
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spokey
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 12:08 |
livvy wrote:
Why is selective education bad ?
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Because we're all road users. Everybody should be given the same opportunities.
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livvy
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 12:21 |
spokey wrote:
livvy wrote:
Why is selective education bad ?
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Because we're all road users. Everybody should be given the same opportunities.
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So bikesafe was wrong then & ill conceived ? It makes sense with limited resources to focus them at higher risk groups to get best value from your investment. It's about creating a level playing field by reducing risk for thsoe at greater risk. Not giving help to those who are already in a better position at the expense of those worse off.
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spokey
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 12:34 |
livvy wrote:
It's about creating a level playing field by reducing risk for thsoe at greater risk.
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Ah, so you DIDN'T leave your sandals at home then. Positive discrimination ROCKS!
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Spokey
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livvy
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 12:42 |
It's positive action, not positive discrimination.
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spokey
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 13:16 |
livvy wrote:
It's positive action, not positive discrimination.
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So I can go and sign up for this free education, can I?
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Spokey
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livvy
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 13:20 |
If you are a member of the disadvantaged group & if you need that help to level the playing field yes you can.
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Fey!
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 13:25 |
If it'll improve the manners and abilities of the most despised group on our roads, won't it benefit everyone?
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spokey
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 13:48 |
livvy wrote:
If you are a member of the disadvantaged group & if you need that help to level the playing field yes you can.
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Livvy, that is just utter s***. White van drivers are not a disadvantaged group.
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livvy
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 14:09 |
If that are at higher risk on our roads they are. They are more vulnerable.
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dutch
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 14:16 |
[QUOTE=livvy]
So bikesafe was wrong then & ill conceived ?
its not ill conceived just ill informed.
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livvy
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 14:22 |
dutch wrote:
[QUOTE=livvy]
So bikesafe was wrong then & ill conceived ?
its not ill conceived just ill informed.
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In what way ?
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spokey
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 14:22 |
livvy wrote:
If that are at higher risk on our roads they are. They are more vulnerable.
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How are they at higher risk? Because they get into more accidents
pro-rata than the rest of us? Might I respectfully suggest if this is
the case, it's because they seem to drive like morons more often than
even BMW drivers?
So why should our tax money go to FREE special training for idiots? Why
doesn't our tax money go to people who don't drive like idiots? Or
better yet, why don't they leave our taxes in our back pockets?
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Ciao,
Spokey
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