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    Posted: 05-February-2006 at 18:45

Since I have owned my ride I have been disapointed with the steering response and the terrible tramlining which seemed worse when the tyres were cold.

Now when I purchased my car it had the standard 17" wheels on and it did it just as bad with them on as it did after I fitted the 19" wheels so I knew it could not been the wheel or tyre size causing a problem.

The car came with a complete and exstensive main dealer history, no mention of this at all. over the past year I have had the tracking laser aligned twice, the suspension checked by myself and an MOT station and even a body shop with full chassis gear, all to no avail.

However a odd event occured the other day where I used the car to work and was aware that the car was pulling like crazy to the right, I stopped to find I had a very flat o/s tyre! as I was less than 20 metres from a garage I crept to it there and inflated the tyre till it looked reasonable as the the tyre gauge needle was not working.

I drove on to work over the very bit of road I hate as it undulates and pitches so much that the car weeves left and right horribly, BUT big surprise the tramlining was almost gone! no need to keep correcting the wheel so much.

On a hunch at work I checked the tyre pressure I had put in, turned out to be 34psi, I checked the other front wheel it was at 28psi, you`ve guessed it I put 34psi in that one and now I have a perfect handling car, It was tyre pressure causing the problem all of the time!

The main reason why this was overlooked was two fold, one they were new wheels and newly installed by a wheel shop so did not consider it a problem and also with a bit of testing I found the tyre sidewall aspect looks the same at 20 psi  to what it does at 34psi! this is the trouble with such low profile tyre.

The moral of this long extracted story....I overlooked such an obvious cause of the problem becuse I just expected it to be caused by something more technical....check the easy things first eh?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-February-2006 at 20:52
Good news Jeff, always nice when the fault is a simple one. I had a similar story with a hire Vectra I had a few years back, the ride and handling were terrible, crashing over bumps and following every line in the road. Part of my routine when getting petrol is to check the tyre pressures, so I did the same for this car. Pressures all round were set to 45psi! Lowered them to the Vauxhall recommeded 32 front and 28 rear, totally transformed the car. Glad you found the problem.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-February-2006 at 10:48
Hey Jeff that is one sweet looking car you have mate !!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-February-2006 at 16:20

Firstly, what a lovely car you have, secondly, you'd be surprised at how much of a difference tyre pressures can make. I work in a garage and from my experience, tyres account for a lot of the safety and handling characteristics of the car.

It is recommended you check tyre pressures weekly. You'd be surprised how 'overlooked' an item tyres are. With only 2mm of tread left (recommended they are changed when they get this low though the legal limit is 1.6mm) how much your stopping distance can be reduced (could be the difference between hitting another car or pedestrian or just missing them) But also the pressure can affect braking and handling adversley too as well as premature tyre wear.

If the pressures are too low, the outer walls of the tyre take more of the weight of the car, which is greatly magnified during cornering and can result in damage of the side wall, which can weaken it and in extreme cases causing the tread to effectivley 'strip' clean off the tyre walls. (This happened to my cousin at 90mph on the motorway on the front tyre! I asked her when she last had a new tyre and when she'd checked the pressures, she said the tyre was 6 months old and she'd never checked them! She took the remains to the tyre fitter and he said the tyre walls were cracked where they'd been under inflated causing the tread to come off completely at high speed)

If the pressures are too high, only the centre section of the tryre will make true contact with the road, that could reduce grip by 50% but also they will wear in half the time.

I know it sounds like I'm a little patronising but I don't think enough people are told these important facts until it's too late, so I'm putting that right now!

Tyres will save your life long before a seatbelt, ABS, airbags etc. If looked after properly, you may not need these secondary safety features. Tyres are the primary safety feature on ANY motor vehicle and should be inspected weekly. Plus you'll save money on tyres as well as better fuel economy at the right pressures too!

You have been told!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-April-2006 at 20:07

Funny, my '95 328i has the same tramlining problem and I made sure both the tyres were at 34psi the other day. The problem actually seems worse now. Haven't checked the suspension, or the power steering but will do soon.

Does anyone know what the pressures should be for my car? The handbook that came with it doesn't include the actual model so it must not be the original.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-April-2006 at 06:47
Originally posted by 540 V8 540 V8 wrote:

Firstly, what a lovely car you have, secondly,
you'd be surprised at how much of a difference tyre pressures can
make. I work in a garage and from my experience, tyres account for
a lot of the safety and handling characteristics of the car.


It is recommended you check tyre pressures weekly. You'd be
surprised how 'overlooked' an item tyres are. With only 2mm of tread
left (recommended they are changed when they get this low though
the legal limit is 1.6mm) how much your stopping distance can be
reduced (could be the difference between hitting another car or
pedestrian or just missing them) But also the pressure can affect
braking and handling adversley too as well as premature tyre wear.[/
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If the pressures are too low, the outer walls of the tyre take more
of the weight of the car, which is greatly magnified during cornering
and can result in damage of the side wall, which can weaken it and
in extreme cases causing the tread to effectivley 'strip' clean off the
tyre walls. (This happened to my cousin at 90mph on the motorway
on the front tyre! I asked her when she last had a new tyre and when
she'd checked the pressures, she said the tyre was 6 months old and
she'd never checked them! She took the remains to the tyre fitter
and he said the tyre walls were cracked where they'd been under
inflated causing the tread to come off completely at high speed)


If the pressures are too high, only the centre section of the tryre
will make true contact with the road, that could reduce grip by 50%
but also they will wear in half the time.


I know it sounds like I'm a little patronising but I don't think
enough people are told these important facts until it's too late, so
I'm putting that right now!


Tyres will save your life long before a seatbelt, ABS, airbags etc. If
looked after properly, you may not need these secondary safety
features. Tyres are the primary safety feature on ANY motor vehicle
and should be inspected weekly. Plus you'll save money on tyres as
well as better fuel economy at the right pressures too!


You have been told!


Regards


Mike



I'm careful about my pressures but cant quite find the best setting
what pressures do you run540 pls I normally follow the doorpost
instructions on my car
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-April-2006 at 17:29

i am surprised how much the tyre pressures change in so little time,especially on low profiles/big wheels!

i check mine once a week now,just to keep them all to what they should be!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-April-2006 at 03:34

This tramlining that you are all experiencing is most probably due to incorrect wheel alignment.  As some of you have stated you have had laser alignment conducted and although this sounds really good it does your BMW no good at all. 

You need to take your vehicles to specialist alignment centres which have "Hunter" or equivalent type equipment.  The reason is that only these centres will be able to adjust the negative cambering on the rear wheels.  Once this is done you will be amazed and marvel at the transformation in your vehicles handling characteristics.  

The KDS alignment done at BMW is also manufactured by the Hunter company.

http://www.pro-align.co.uk/products/wheelaligners/pswheelali gners.htm

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-April-2006 at 06:17

Very Interesting as I have just left my car in for 4 wheel laser alligment.

If that doesent do the trick I will check the pressures again.

Mick

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-April-2006 at 12:25

I have been having similar issues; last weekend gave the car a good going over & noticed that some little pikey 7w@ had stolen the dust caps - £3.49 for the alluminium caps - why bother nicking  Kids I presume!

Looked in the book to find what the correct pressure should be and took it to a local petrol station to check the pressures. Low and behold the to front tyres were different pressures; 1.7bar and 1.9 - did they let the tyres down aswell - who knows  

Whilst checking the pressures also noted the outside edge of the front tyres were BALD  so god knows how long they'd been a "litte" low; mind you the fronts have done 50K+ miles so its about time they were changed!

Quick call to e-tyres.co.uk and new tyres been fitted tomorrow:

235/45/17/Y: Dunlop SP2000E - £105 fitted

Originally posted by Bill- Bill- wrote:


I'm careful about my pressures but cant quite find the best setting
what pressures do you run540 pls I normally follow the doorpost
instructions on my car

After finding that the tyres were both below 2.0 bar I inflated them to the the recommended pressure:

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  • Front: 2.5 bar 
  • Rear: 2.8 bar

The car handles much better than it has done for the last couple of months!

And finally.....

Originally posted by 540 V8 540 V8 wrote:

secondly, you'd be surprised at how much of a difference tyre pressures can make. I work in a garage and from my experience, tyres account for a lot of the safety and handling characteristics of the car.

It is recommended you check tyre pressures weekly.

Point taken; for the sake of 20pence I will be keeping an eye on my tyre pressures. . . . .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-April-2006 at 13:12
It was Dunlop Sp2000's (that size) that I had to change with most of the tread left because the casing went out of round!

    Since I posted this problem on this forum, other people have had the same problem with these tyres. If I was you mate, I'd get hold of e-tyres and get them to supply you with a different make if possible. Sorry to sound a bit harsh, but I'm just trying to save you the hassle of throwing away tyres with 7mm tread left in a few months!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-April-2006 at 13:46

Must say this thread has been good to read. My 530d Sport (stock 17's) seems to tramline alot. Sometimes it seems more obvious than others (especially under braking) but more than likely as I also drive a Cooper S on run flats that does it to but then other times in a mk5 Golf which doesn't so it gets highlighted all the more!

In fact I posted recently about this on the forum at www.bmw5.co.uk but dismissed tyre pressures having "recently" done them - better check again so thanks for the reminder.

Be interested also to hear more of the issues with the Dunlop tyres as they are the ones I have (in fact, with about 7mm left funnily enough).

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-April-2006 at 13:58
More responses, including pictures of peoples tyres, are shown in this forum dates 24/1/06, under the title "E39 - least reliable car ever". It seems other people have had bad experiences with SP2000's.

What happened with mine were that they went 'out of round'. There was no damage to the edges of the tyres, and the pressure were correct. They were fitted at the main $tealer, and never driven hard! Both fronts had the same problem, and 255/40/17's that were on the rear were wering so quickly that I threw them away at the same time!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-April-2006 at 08:38
Originally posted by Mick523I Mick523I wrote:

Very Interesting as I have just left my car in for 4 wheel laser alligment.

If that doesent do the trick I will check the pressures again.

Mick



Any update on this Mick523I - has the laser alignment worked ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-April-2006 at 11:59

Hummmmmmmmmmmm.....

 

Too late now - tyres are on.....

I'd not had any issues with the others.....the fella said they were in generally good nick other that the baldness on the edge - he reckons I need it tracking.....

I'll keep a close eye on them from now on & see what happens; if they do 'out of round' in the next couple of months I think I'll complain to Dunlop and see what they say - they won't cough up for new ones I know but at least I can give em greif.......

The fella said it'd cost me £35 for full 4 wheel laser alignment - is that a good price?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-April-2006 at 15:48
Originally posted by fingerman fingerman wrote:

Originally posted by Mick523I Mick523I wrote:

Very Interesting as I have just left my car in for 4 wheel laser alligment.

If that doesent do the trick I will check the pressures again.

Mick



Any update on this Mick523I - has the laser alignment worked ?

Sorry for the late reply, Got the car back from Dunning Motors in Crumlin (highly recommend them for any car, have used them for years) and Paul tracked the car and its perfect. Dead straight and no wobble between 45-50, no wobble under light breaking also.

Its fantastic.

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"Where did you get the 544 badge? "

Hi Geoff

I bought two 540i badges and made one 544i out of the two, on the front wings by the indicator I fitted smaller 544 badges that are off the new X5.

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