Penalty points

No I agree entirely with what you say there, the actions of others shouldn't be a problem provided I keep both my own speed and distance in check, which i do. However, all too often people find themselves affected by other incompetent drivers.

The SPECS cameras make me paranoid, even though I rarely drive even closeto the speed limit.

I suppose the point I am making in all these posts (becuase you and I seem to go round in ever maddening circles!) is that the standards of driving in this country cannot be improved by a reduction in speed alone, but in fact that should be an achievable aim following some sort of driver training, which would bring about a greater awareness of the dangers of speeding and the risks of excessive vehicle speed. Hopefully.

livvy wrote:

Shorty

You didn't get the points because you were a danger to anyone. You got the points because you went past a line that has been drawn in the sand, a line that is there as a preventative measure (to prevent the possible danger being caused to anyone.)

If you value your licence, your livelyhood, then why not take responsibility for it & protect it ?
Nobody can "mess with your life" then.
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DANGER !!!! the only danger to anyone was to me as i said previously there was no one else there!!! I know what you will say that you have seen some horrors e.c.t & i can see that point of view also. But 78 mph on a motorway ???? please !!!!!!!

Livvy try an experiment i have try ed on several occasions . Next time you are on the motorway drive at 70 mph . just see how many cars, vans , lorry's ( yes 16 wheeler lorry's !!! )  go whizzing past you . Where are the "enforcers" then ?

As for taking responsibility for my livelihood i HAVE to drive every day for my job & if i loose my license that is me out of a job  & i know that so do you think i or any other person go out intentionally to get points on there license ? I would be more of a danger if i didn't keep up with the flow of traffic would i not ? How many people do you know that drive at 30mph in a 30 mph zone unless as Doave has pointed out they either see a police man with a radar gun or know there is a fixed camera on that road ?

shorty wrote: Livvy try an experiment i have try ed on several occasions . Next time you are on the motorway drive at 70 mph . just see how many cars, vans , lorry's ( yes 16 wheeler lorry's !!! )  go whizzing past you . Where are the "enforcers" then ? As for taking responsibility for my livelihood i HAVE to drive every day for my job & if i loose my license that is me out of a job  & i know that so do you think i or any other person go out intentionally to get points on there license ? I would be more of a danger if i didn't keep up with the flow of traffic would i not ? How many people do you know that drive at 30mph in a 30 mph zone unless as Doave has pointed out they either see a police man with a radar gun or know there is a fixed camera on that road ?

I don't need to do an experiment because I do it all the time, I don't want to get points or lose my licence.


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Doive wrote: You seem utterly incapable of taking into account the extreme ease with which most of us non-livvy like non-superhumans manage to stray those few little mph past the limit, and so pass the camera doing 68 in a 60 (easy to do in a nice smooth 323i, eh shorty?!). We become criminals, and because of this unintentional misdemeanour our licence and career are taken from us.

I appreciate that it can easy, especially in a BMW to accidentally sray over the speed limit, but playing devils advocate for a second, are you really saying that you could be driving at 68mph in a 60 and not realise? Also if your doing 68 what do you think the speedo is reading? Well over 70 I would have thought.

My problem with cameras isn't to do with not being able to keep my speed down without constantly staring a the speedo, I simply think the limits are set too low on certain roads. After all if you find it hard to keep your speed down to 70, you are going to have exactly the same problem at 80 or 90 etc

Dirty - speedo generally reads 5-10% above your speed.

ie - when my speedo tells me I'm doing 68mph and I hit cruise, I can reset my obc average speed to see what I'm doing, and it'll tell me around 62-63mph.  At the same time, my satnav will give me a reading of 100kph (62.5mph).

This may change if you change the rolling radius of your wheel/tyre combo, but not drasticly (sc).

Doive wrote: A speedometer will sometimes overread by as much as 10% according to the law. This is why in a 60mph limit a vehicle will be allowed to do 68mph before a speed trap is triggered - 60 + 10% + 2 = 68mph. The 10% allows for speedo inaccuracy. So what I was saying was that if I had somehow allowed my speed to creep up to 68, then I would get busted by a speed trap, and as such become a criminal in the eyes of the law. I don't like that.

True but you can actually get over 20% over beofre being flashed. If your speedo reads spot on then at an indicated 68mph you will get flashed. However if your speedo reads 10% positive you would have to be doing an indicated 75mph before being flashed i.e 68mph + 10%. Since you drive older cars Doive, I suspect your speedos are very likely to read over, I know the one in a Chevette is not the most accurate in the world. 

Believe me Peter, when I'm doing 68 in the chevette, I KNOW I'm doing 68!!

dirtybeemer wrote: Is that down hill with the wind behind you.....

.........steering wheel shaking and bits flying off!

Yeah sounds about right not to mention the allowance to run them and a payrise etc etc i vote livvy for PM

livvy wrote: Spokey wrote: And that the government is wonderful I've definitely never said that.

Wasn't Spokey expressing his own opinion then??

I'm convinced Spokey is really David Cameron