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    Posted: 06-March-2006 at 10:06

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A pal has been in touch to say he is looking at a 00W reg B3 3.3 coupe and wondering about values.  The car seems to have a few option boxes ticked, sat nav, etc. and it has the switchtronic flappy paddles bit.  Mileage is sub 50k and there seems to be loads of paperwork and history with the car.

Anyone got an idea of a reasonable value for this? 

Also, any hints or tips as regards things to watch, alpina specific (as I'm reasonably familiar with the e46)?

Feedback appreciated!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 16:26

The paperwork, authenticated history and service records are going to be 100% crucial. As for spec this should be high so really it's down to colours  - believe it or not these superficial items are probably more of value with a class marque like this than most other issues.

Although, get your mate to check the oil consumption history, as the older B3 / B10's with the earlier 3.3 engines consumed more than normal or later 3.3 and more recent 3.4's. And it's expensive stuff to keep topping up each week.

Otherwise it's usual early e46 matters: rear breaks, door seals, that sort of stuff.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 16:32

www.thealpinaregister.com

heres someone looking for buying advice for an x-reg b3 so all these points should be applicable to you too

http://www.fastsaloons.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=625


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    1999 BMW 323Ci
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    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
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    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 16:34

and heres information on the oil useage

http://www.fastsaloons.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=62



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    1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
    2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
    1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
    1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 17:52
Look at any used car price guide for an equivalent age/mileage/spec 328/330 and add between 25-50% depending on how keen your friend is to have that car.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 18:32

Thanks chaps, excellent feedback and links.

One question, I understand that the most recent couple of services are specialist rather than main dealer.  There is always lively debate about what this does to values to "ordinary" BMW's, but how significant is it on an Alpina?  Is there a whole other realm of specialist for these compared to the more common or garden BMW variety?

I don't know who the specialist was but will e-mail the chap in the morning.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 18:46

specialists are fine, just as long as they fit the correct parts... the alpina teilekatalogs (parts catalogues) will tell you the part numbers required - if it ain't on there as a seperate alpina part number then its standard bm.  you get the parts via sytner or if they can't help then email alpina directly in germany (you'll get contact info off www.alpina.de)

makes interesting reading, they have been saved as seperate entries under most alpina models here (look for parts catalogue), most of them being in german but the pictures will keep you right

http://www.thealpinaregister.com/downloads.php

and here you can see how rare the different models and years are

http://www.thealpinaregister.com/alpinastats.php



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    1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
    2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
    1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
    1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 18:53

Thanks Stephen.

Re. the oil consumption, is there a fix, other than an engine rebuild or worse.  If so, is there a benevolent attitude taken towards the costs or, like nikasil, has the goodwill run out?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 19:05

to be honest, i don't know, best ask on www.thealpinaregister.com forum, you'll get an answer there i'm sure

mine has a build date of July 2000 (registered September), it does use oil a bit more than i'm used to but since the car is a weekend toy it's not causing me undue concern since it seems to be accepted that they're all like that to a greater or lesser degree


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    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
    1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
    1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 19:11
the 3.3 (fitted to E46 B3 and E39 B10) engine is based on the US M3 Evo engine, bored out to 3300cc, it has a cast iron block (no nikasil or alusil liners), alpina intake and exhaust systems, alpina crankshaft with vibration damper, lightweight mahle pistons, dual mass flywheel and remapped alpina ecu

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    1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
    2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 19:14

a very good book to get is BMW Alpina by James Taylor (ISBN 1-86126-760-6), gives the complete history and a run down of all the models through the years

if you want some more info from it on the B3 3.3 let me know and i'll type it out


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    2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
    1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
    1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-March-2006 at 19:18
Originally posted by Dergside Dergside wrote:

Thanks Stephen.

Re. the oil consumption, is there a fix, other than an engine rebuild or worse.  If so, is there a benevolent attitude taken towards the costs or, like nikasil, has the goodwill run out?

some folk have switched from the recommended Castrol SLX 0W30 (now marketed as SLX 0W30 LongTec) to Castrol TWS 0W30 under Alpinas recommendation - some have reported improved oil consumption and others worse

i'm using SLX at the moment


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    2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
    1999 BMW 323Ci
    1995 BMW 318i SE
    1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
    1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
    1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
    1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
    1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-March-2006 at 08:50
Originally posted by stephenperry stephenperry wrote:

a very good book to get is BMW Alpina by James Taylor (ISBN 1-86126-760-6), gives the complete history and a run down of all the models through the years

if you want some more info from it on the B3 3.3 let me know and i'll type it out

If that is the Alpina book just recently published, then the inca orange 1600 on the cover belongs to a pal of mine.  Really lovely car.  It was featured in one of the BMW mags last year (Total BMW iirc).

Once again, thanks!

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