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PPPP
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Topic: BMW Warranty Changes Posted: 11-March-2006 at 18:17 |
The warranty changes that came into effect on February 1 have raised a lot of concerns Your fellow enthusiasts on BM3W have now made representations to BMW UK http://www.bm3w.co.uk/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Number=397 962
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ultegra
Really Senior Member I I Hate Sunday Lunch Joined: 18-November-2003 Location: Itinerant Pikey Status: Offline Points: 319 |
Posted: 13-March-2006 at 03:18 |
Any chance of copying the text over here so we can read it? |
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Chris Enright
M Coupe Silver ex M Coupe Black ex 318is Silver 318is White ex M3 GT ex 318is Red ex 318is Blue 316i shell - watch this space... |
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PPPP
Newbie Joined: 20-October-2005 Status: Offline Points: 10 |
Posted: 13-March-2006 at 03:55 |
Text follows, updates on: http://www.bm3w.co.uk/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Number=397 962
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ultegra
Really Senior Member I I Hate Sunday Lunch Joined: 18-November-2003 Location: Itinerant Pikey Status: Offline Points: 319 |
Posted: 13-March-2006 at 05:23 |
I agree with it all. The new warranty is hardly worth the paper it is written on - the dealers are going to claim that any and all failures are 'wear and tear' [ I have this on good authority from a source in the dealer network]. Better off banking the money and paying a reputable independant to fix things when they go wrong. Oh, and if I need to labour the point, get EVERYTHING fixed before the old warranty expires. I have. |
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Chris Enright
M Coupe Silver ex M Coupe Black ex 318is Silver 318is White ex M3 GT ex 318is Red ex 318is Blue 316i shell - watch this space... |
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rvbush
Newbie Joined: 06-February-2006 Location: Leamington Spa, Warwicks. Status: Offline Points: 14 |
Posted: 13-March-2006 at 06:11 |
I agree fully. There is no doubt that the warranty provider will be trying to maximise profit potential and has identified higher mileage, particularaly M cars, as being the biggest drain on profitability. However, brands often need loss leaders to assist in other areas of the business and accept reduced, or even neagative, profits in some areas if an overall benefit can be demonstrated. I would imagine that quite a high loss has been shown on M cars over 100k miles. However, I don't believe that there are enough of them or even "ordinary" BMW's) left in the warranty scheme to risk devaluing it in the way the new conditions do. Like others, I accept that there may well be a good case for increasing the price, but to a reasonable level, this is quite plainly intended to remove vehicles over 60k completely. The message is very simple, BMW do not value overall long term ownership of its' products sufficiently. It used to. |
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215DMX
Really Senior Member II Joined: 14-May-2003 Location: Croydon Status: Offline Points: 1780 |
Posted: 13-March-2006 at 09:21 |
Another thing worth mentioning if it hasn't been already, is, the parts that
are accross the range would still be subject to 'M' premiums, FOR THE SAME PART !!!!! as used on a 320... |
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e30m3
Senior Member II Joined: 26-April-2003 Location: East Sussex Status: Offline Points: 234 |
Posted: 13-March-2006 at 11:40 |
A friend of mine has recently bought an E46 which has bene a nightmare. I'm not supprised they don't want to put a Warranty on them if there all as bad as his.
Interesting to see how expensive it is compaired to porsche. |
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Andy
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PPPP
Newbie Joined: 20-October-2005 Status: Offline Points: 10 |
Posted: 13-March-2006 at 13:11 |
Good point - here is some correspondence that refers to this.
Dear Mr P
Please accept my apologies for not responding to your email earlier, however, I have been out of the office for longer than I anticipated. I respond to your questions as follows.
Yours sincerely
Jane Noble
Customer Relations Manager
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PPPP
Newbie Joined: 20-October-2005 Status: Offline Points: 10 |
Posted: 14-March-2006 at 08:39 |
www.bm3w.co.uk/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3979 62&an=&page=&vc=1
BMW are now saying they will review the warranty situation in 6 months, and are inviting feedback. Please let them know your views by writing to Jim O'Donnell (MD) at his e-mail address: All of us are affected by this issue - let's work together to influence BMW into re-considering these extreme changes.
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ultegra
Really Senior Member I I Hate Sunday Lunch Joined: 18-November-2003 Location: Itinerant Pikey Status: Offline Points: 319 |
Posted: 14-March-2006 at 09:05 |
No good. Warranty would have lapsed by then. Buts that what they want anyway. <What a pack of handpumps> |
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Chris Enright
M Coupe Silver ex M Coupe Black ex 318is Silver 318is White ex M3 GT ex 318is Red ex 318is Blue 316i shell - watch this space... |
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PPPP
Newbie Joined: 20-October-2005 Status: Offline Points: 10 |
Posted: 14-March-2006 at 09:16 |
Ultegra We can still influence them - have you written and made your views known?
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M3Nally
Really Senior Member II Joined: 28-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1302 |
Posted: 14-March-2006 at 09:30 |
It's a catch 22 this one.
With the latest M car engines now so technically complicated with the electronics et al, they are completely out of the realms of home or even "independent" repairers IMO. To fix any of these will cost an absolute fortune so you would really want to fall back on a warranty if you bought one. BMW now extract every penny out of it's customers, they assume that the demand is elastic in economic terms, that owners will stump up anyway because they have the cash and like the cars. If this continues and warranties become worthless, then the depreciation will be catastrophic on M cars because who would want one? Would you buy a 3 year old M6 in a few years with no or a worthless warranty? How much if the engine went bang? As has been said before, many new cars will be worthless 2nd hand in only a few years because they are so complicated and will be out of the reach of most to maintain. Porsche must be rubbing it's hands with glee. BMW need to respond positively to this. They would not get away with it in the US. |
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Rags
Really Senior Member II Joined: 02-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 943 |
Posted: 14-March-2006 at 12:47 |
What should I get done to my car which is still under warranty. To my knowledge everything seems to be ok, but will they charge me for 'getting them to check it over'? I would like a few things replaced as preventative, but how should I approach it.......I mean, I would like the smg checked and the diff replaced with a new one, the tappets adjusted etc etc
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PPPP
Newbie Joined: 20-October-2005 Status: Offline Points: 10 |
Posted: 14-March-2006 at 14:31 |
You are right of course - but we need to write to BMW if we are to influence them. It's not over yet, for they have agreed to review in 6 months. If we can send them 1000 letters from this site, that will make them take notice. Can we do it?
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Double
Newbie Joined: 14-March-2006 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1 |
Posted: 14-March-2006 at 15:12 |
Hell, why not? Potential gain of £330 a year, or £1150 a year if you are over 60,000 miles (and that's not counting the excess), for the price of a 30p stamp or the electricity for an email. AND it will improve residual values substantially when we come to sell. The more of us who contact BMW the better the chance of victory. No Brainer !!! |
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Nostrils
Really Senior Member II Joined: 27-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 792 |
Posted: 14-March-2006 at 15:49 |
Email sent to Fay, not expecting a personal reply, but I pointed out that Mercedes forgot about their loyal customer base and the quality of their cars.....and it took them over 10 years to get it right again....
....BMW and the Quant family wouldnt like that. All we can do is email/write in and check progress. I currently drive a 1995 318iS as my daily drive and am putting on the miles, but with my fuel costs on business trips repaid back, I am looking to replace with another in about 6 months, probably a late E46 coupe....I will decide then when the money is ready! |
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Thorney
Newbie Joined: 02-December-2005 Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: 16-March-2006 at 03:08 |
Oh thats not the case (with us anyway). We have all the diagnostic equipment to service even the most modern BMW's and possess all the specialist BMW tooling for doing things like cam swaps in E46 M3's and E39 M5's. The investment is huge (over £10k just for tooling) so most tuners don't have them I grant you but if you're working on these cars you need to replicate a full dealer level IMO. However, I agree with the comments on the warranty, whilst as an indpendant tuner/servicer this is potentially good news for us I fundamentally disagree with what they've done (we have our own CSl so are directly effected anyway).
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lancelotII
Really Senior Member II Joined: 24-November-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 853 |
Posted: 16-March-2006 at 05:15 |
I agree, my local indy has invested in some of the diagnostic kit. So they can now offer servicing and diagnostics on the full range. If BMW want to turn owners away due to their aloof attitude then the smart indys should pick up a ton of business. In the mean time we should still all contact BMW and let them know that there is a rash of very unhappy customers out there, and in addition point out that a return to good solid engineering would be preferable than the current obsession with techno loaded barges that are just going to be a liability in years to come.
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M3Nally
Really Senior Member II Joined: 28-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1302 |
Posted: 16-March-2006 at 05:55 |
Apologies to indies then. If that is the case then you should be able to clean up with looking after 3 year old cars, and since euro legislation changed where you can have a car serviced anywhere and maintain the warranty, then maybe you can get those within warranty too.
Depends on your hourly rate I guess. I spoke to my local BMW dealer the other day and they are on £82 plus VAT, i.e. £96.35 per hour. Who can beat that then? |
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Thorney
Newbie Joined: 02-December-2005 Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: 16-March-2006 at 11:52 |
£65 plus VAT for us
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