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    Posted: 14-April-2006 at 21:06
Ok so yesterday night I got stopped and was told I was doing 75 in a 50 zone. The problem is for once I was actually not speeding and was having one of those "I will keep to the speed limit drives". I told him there is no way I was clocked at that speed and asked if he noticed the car that turned off infront of me. He said no I clocked you afterward. 

What I want to know is don't they have to show you proof? In any other country I know they have to show you the speed they clocked you at and not just say a number. Getting caught is one thing, getting accused is a whole different thing. It is no so much the fine either but the damn points.


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Points: 327 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-April-2006 at 05:53
Yes Kin they should show you the proof of actual speed you where doing and exact time as well.With out proves they cant do nothing.
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I assume he issued you with a ticket so, Kin? What a dose...  

I do wonder about calibration sometimes. I checked the 525 speedo against a realtime GPS for a couple of hundred miles 2 weeks ago and found when I was doing an actual 100kmh, my speedo read 106kmh. Yet I got done for going a few miles over 30mph as I approached the 60mph sign in the same car in May '03. And when I asked to see the gun, she said he colleague was using it (and had just nabbed another person) and the speed had been cleared. Not alot you can do at that stage...

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Points: 1691 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-April-2006 at 07:23
No he did not!!!! He said I will send you a ticket in the post!

Oh yes and by the time I pulled over and parked the had already nabbed another guy, so my reading was not on the gun.


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Points: 327 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-April-2006 at 11:56
You have a right to see the reeding from a gun if you didnt see it you can not agree with them.Thats comon things in lithuania.No proves no fines.
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what a bummer kin sounds a bit suspicious..  looks more like it was the car in front of you. was the car in front of you the same colour? this happened my old man before and he argued his case with the guard at the scene and let him off..

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Points: 2124 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-April-2006 at 13:52

Kin,

As far as i know you can contest this in court. The case will probably be thrown out because it's a waste of time. Beware though, it could also lead to more points if it went against you.

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Points: 4161 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-April-2006 at 09:05

Not nice, Kin.  Where did it happen?  And did you get the Gardas details?
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Think you had problems Kin look at this poor fella (he got done twice)

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Just on this one, if it was the good old hair dryer, the garda has to stop you, issue you the summons/fine on the spot and also show you the speed you were doing on the back of the radar gun.  If it was digital speed camera ie. hand held or gatso etc. then the summons can go out in the post as there's a mug shot of yourself, car and speed for proof.

Personally I'd contest if it happens to be the radar gun on the grounds that you were contesting the speed and didn't see proof on the radar gun.... 

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Points: 2629 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-April-2006 at 05:17
Radar Gun no longer in use its all laser now and you could risk that argument that you did not see the speed reading but all it shows is the speed and the distance that you were detected at it all depends on the judge at the day in court.  
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Have to differ on that one, Radar is still active especially on nice rural speedtraps, e.g. road between Monasterevin to Rathangan and on the goverment front as of Jan this year they amended the 2004 road traffic act. to sort out this loop hole over guns not having a pernament record.

ie. http://www.irishtrucker.com/news/2005/march/1803055.asp

As from personal experience I got a summons for a court appearance, (2003) which was the first I knew of the speeding fine. I went, guard have his evidence, I asked was the guard required to stop me and show/ inform me of the speed on the radar gun ?? Judge smiled, gave out to guard, case thrown out !!!

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Points: 2629 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-April-2006 at 04:18
Radar no longer in use for hand held devices and if it is it should not be as they were all put out of use so if caught by one then the prosecution is going nowhere. I have been in court where people were prosecuted for speeding and no mention of showing the speed was given and the judge convicted. Some judges take it upon themselves to not prosecute speeding offences. If you were not stopped you should have been shown some photograph evidence of your speeding as in teh case of Gatso or video evidence in the case of Vascar. Truckers are caught by their own records their tacograph so they are caught anyway (80kph max) 
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Points: 227 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-April-2006 at 09:29

I passed two handheld speed traps on the waydown to Cork on Monday but I wasn't even sure myself if I was over the speed limit.  If they are using a tripod mounted unit could this be a digital speed camera and should I expect a fine and some points if I was over the limit?
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Points: 2629 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-April-2006 at 09:32
No that have to stop you just be careful if you spot it connected into the back of the car as this would be downloading pics of speed Ther are only two in the country thatI know of Portlaoise and Louth Meath Traffic Corps have them 
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Points: 227 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-April-2006 at 09:37

Cheers topazman!  Car was parked a good distance away form the tripod and both were in Co. Cork.  Should have been paying closer attention when I wasn't used to the km speedo.

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Points: 15508 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-April-2006 at 17:15
Originally posted by topazman topazman wrote:

Truckers are caught by their own records their tacograph so they are caught anyway (80kph max) 


They stick to that limit as much as they do to keeping out of the overtaking lane!
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Points: 1691 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-April-2006 at 20:12
Oh by the way, when you get stopped by a handheld speed check, how long do they have to send you in the ticket before it is void? 
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Points: 15508 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-April-2006 at 20:22
I think with all speeding detections, the gardai have 6 months from the date of the offence to pursue it - I may be off though
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Points: 2629 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-April-2006 at 04:51
Yup you are right Killian after that you can argue delay
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