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    Posted: 28-April-2006 at 09:31
...oh and please don't cry into your keyboard....









The rail museum say that Flying Scotsman will be back on the tracks for summer 2007, so all is not lost, Ivan....well not yet anyway
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-April-2006 at 09:35
Here are a couple others to say 'hello' to...











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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-April-2006 at 10:24
And for those with a head for heights...which I do not...here is the Yorkshire Wheel...perhaps something to use as a meeting point for some of you in this area, perhaps?

Last weekend there was a Moggy Minor meet at the museum/wheel.

The wheel is 6 per adult and one of the pods has a glass floor too...









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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-April-2006 at 17:08

Nerdy things...

Flying Scotsman is a Nigel Gresley class and is what the Mallard would look like without it's fairings. They have 3 cylinders which gives them a unique sound.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-April-2006 at 09:22
Originally posted by Rhys Rhys wrote:

Nerdy things...

 See below!

Quote Flying Scotsman is a Nigel Gresley class A3 and is what the Mallard class A4 would look like without it's fairings.

Not quite, Rhys. The frames and running gear are near-identical, but the original boilers used on the A3 and A4 classes had detail differences.

The A3 class (and those examples rebuilt to A3 class from the earlier A1) were equipped with Diagram 94A or 94HP boilers. They also had the full cylindrical smokebox. One of the A3s, no: 2751 "Humorist" went through years of exhaust and smoke deflection experiments. Once they were in BR service, BR started to standardise the exhaust system, so most of them were fitted with double chimneys on the Kylala-Chapelon (known as "KylChap") principle.

The A4s on the other hand had Diag. 107 boilers which incorporated a combustion chamber between the rear of the boiler section and the front of the firebox. Being streamlined (in the style of a contemporary Bugatti!), the smokeboxes also had to be sloping to fit under the streamlined cladding.

Just to confuse things, it was discovered that the Diag. 107 boiler would fit the A3 class, though they obviously had to have the full cylindrical smokebox instead of the sloping one. Flying Scotsman herself has two boilers, a "94A" and and a "107", one acting as a spare. The "107" boiler came from sister A3 Salmon Trout, when the latter was withdrawn for scrapping in the early Sixties.

It appears that the 94A boiler is now truly worn out, which would necessitate a new one. Trouble is, now that the A3 is owned by the NRM, which makes a point of keeping its exhibits in as-near original condition as possible, the chances of a new boiler being ordered are ZERO, so the engine will have to rely on the "107".

Quote  They have 3 cylinders which gives them a unique sound.

The driving cranks are set at 120 degrees to each other, giving them the "six-beats-per-revolution" (in & out strokes) sound. All 3-cylinder locos have the same characteristic. If you listen to the LMS "Royal Scot" class or "Jubilee" at speed, you will notice much the same thing.

A vast number of the Gresley-designed engine classes had 3 cylinders, and the same principles were followed by Gresley's successors, Edward Thompson and Arthur Peppercorn.

As it happens, a brand new Peppercorn A1 is being built at Darlington, with the all-new welded boiler recently being completed at Meiningen Works in Eastern Germany. It should be ready for service in 2008, assuming the donations keep rolling in.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-April-2006 at 09:54

Phew!! thought I was getting nerdy.. thanks Ivan

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-April-2006 at 10:00
Ivan, I spoke to one of the guys working on Scotsman while I was up there and he said that a new boiler set had been ordered and is being specially fabicated so that she can run properly next summer. The new boiler set will be delivered mid-May and she should be fitted out by the end of 2006 and taken to a heritage line for testing early 2007.

Her new boiler set have been paid for by donation, the amount wasn't stated but the guy said it was a huge amount of money and donated anonymously.

So she will be as good as new when they finish the overhaul/rebuild. The NRM are looking forward to many summer seasons of her working the York/Scarborough line once she is completed.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-April-2006 at 14:08

Originally posted by Goldryder Goldryder wrote:

....Her new boiler set have been paid for by donation, the amount wasn't stated but the guy said it was a huge amount of money and donated anonymously. ...

In that case, there is at least one other popular engine in the NRM's collection which could do with a similar bit of philanthropy.

It's Gresley V2 2-6-2, no 60800 (ex-LNE no. 4771) Green Arrow.

This engine was selected for the National Collection in the 1960s because firstly it was the first of its class and secondly it still had its original 3-cylinder "monobloc" casting. That's ALL THREE(!) cylinders in a single casting - really heavy component.

It was already known at the time that the casting was cracked internally, but it was kept going in later years using "metal stitching" techniques. However, it looks like the engine's current service period may be its last. It would be prohibitively expensive to re-stitch the casting, but the NRM does not want to pay for a new pattern to be made.



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