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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Topic: Should I Shant I Posted: 22-September-2003 at 21:42 |
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Been offered a chip for my 635csi, and don't know whether it is a good idea to mess around with the engine. The main thing i would be worried about would be reliability and is it going to do any damage to the car's engine! Your advice and feedback would be most apreciated. Thankyou in advance |
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DaveB
Groupie Joined: 09-March-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 72 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 00:00 | |
How many miles on the engine/car? That could be a big factor in the decision. Also, how much was the chip offered for?
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 08:45 | |
Car has done 112k and engine is untouched. Chip is offered for under £50 pounds. No exspense has been spared with servicing and it's had engine oil service every 3-4k.
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Webdunk
Moderator Group M3 GT Register Joined: 16-October-2002 Location: Central Scotland Status: Offline Points: 5245 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 09:31 | |
For a £50 chip. On a nice 6. How can I put this...
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andystone
Senior Member I yeovil - pit of the world! Joined: 27-August-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 137 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 12:25 | |
excuse my ignorance. what does a chip actually do?
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Webdunk
Moderator Group M3 GT Register Joined: 16-October-2002 Location: Central Scotland Status: Offline Points: 5245 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 12:33 | |
A chip controls a number of parameters which make your car go. Manufacturers build safety margins into these chips to take account of things like folk not sticking religiously to servicing intervals, varying fuel qualities, etc. You can get after-market chips which alter these parameters to alter a car's performance characteristics. Do a quick search on the forum for chips, superchips, dastek, unichip, mappable to read up some more. |
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andystone
Senior Member I yeovil - pit of the world! Joined: 27-August-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 137 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 12:53 | |
cheers for the info!
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 13:11 | |
I've just had the head taken off my 123,000-mile 1983 Six. Basically it needs a lot of work, and it will cost me £1500-ish, and comprises the following (all at BMW stealer prices):
Engine area first: Radiator found to be leaking, new one: £190 (for auto transmission cars) Thermostat missing(!), new one: £ 17 New distributor cap: £ 77 (this is main dealer price, right?) New heater hose: £ 5 New spark plug heatshield (2) £140 New set of head bolts £ 24 Head set £171 Oversize head gasket £ 82 Machining/skimming of cyl. Head £260 Engine flush plus oil £ 60 OK, those are the bits we knew about. Then there are other "discoveries": New O/s/f control arm balljoint £ 86 Rear Subframe welding work £120 (Possible new subframe bushes £ 42.24) New drag link £ 70 Once all that's done, then maybe I might contemplate a "chip", but I would certainly have been foolish to put a chip in before the engine work was done. Other question(s) for "Sohlman": what assurances do you have that the chip is appropriate to your ECU? If you put the chip in and it works, then the chances are you will have to devote time to uprating the braking system. More power tends to mean more effort to stop it! |
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 13:57 | |
Uprated Chip has now been sold, but was from a 535isport with the same engine code. Thanks for the feedback webdunk. Probably was not a good quality item! Been looking on e-bay the last couple of months and you can get a Dinan chip for the big six for about $75 which i did not think was bad. Probably a much better part! Quote Horsetan " If you put the chip in and it works, then the chances are you will have to devote time to uprating the braking system. More power tends to mean more effort to stop it!"
Your engine work sounds exspensive. I have had most of the parts mentioned fitted about 5 months ago with the exception of the head work and related parts. Have you thought about doing some engine work whilst it is in pieces e.g. Hartge/Alpina conversion. I know fitz bits have full sets of parts and plans to do either of these conversions. Edited by Sohlman |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 16:48 | |
Yes, it is expensive, but as I'm keeping the car, I'm more than willing to spend the money and make sure it's done by a BMW tech in a BMW workshop to BMW standards. The result should be good for another 120,000+ miles before full engine rebuilding is needed. I think I'll leave the rest of the engine well alone. I was reading through the Dinan website www.dinanbmw.com, but they don't have anything in the engine department that's suitable for an ordinary "Euro" (as opposed to US) 635CSi. As I have now ascertained that the test set of Alpinas do not fit, I will keep an eye out for a set of either Alpina 8"x16" or 8"x17"s, 8-inch being the widest that my car can get away with. It's probably better in my case to keep the same width all round. So there we are. |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 16:51 | |
If I know Dinan, this sounds like it's meant for US-spec cars rather than our "Euro" types... After all, US-spec BMWs of that generation had lower power outputs than what we had. Hence, Dinan chips will be specific to them. Our own home-grown "Superchips" would probably be a better bet. |
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Stone-IslandV8
Really Senior Member II Joined: 31-January-2003 Location: North Somerset Status: Offline Points: 3015 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 18:45 | |
Superchips will probably do an 'off-the-shelf; chip but you might want to try somewhere like van aaken who set the chip up the car using a rolling road-that way the new chip can be programmed to any other mods already done or done in the future.
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 21:54 | |
Thanks for all the input guys and girls (got to be politically correct now). I think the chip thing will probably be avoided although i will pick hartlake brains tomorow on that subject. Good luck with the car Ivan. You are very wise, and when the time comes to do mine I will do the same although I will be tempted to do up the engine whilst the work happens. Don't want to think about that now though as gota save up again for the Brake conversion fitting. |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 23-September-2003 at 22:14 | |
NEWS UPDATE: it just got even more expensive. The original head has been found to be cracked ...so it's a new head, basically. And it means I can then use unleaded petrol at last! |
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Iain H
Really Senior Member I Joined: 15-February-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 405 |
Posted: 24-September-2003 at 08:37 | |
If it makes you feel any better Ivan, took head off this week and got a cracked piston.....and these are milled pistons for the 2.7 ....going the whole hog and having a full job done on bottom half and top half checked at same time. Damn it and I thought the divorce was expensive !!!! |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 24-September-2003 at 09:40 | |
It does make me feel better. But not much better. Carlos, my BMW tech, gave me the choice of a BMW certified reconditioned head (£650 + VAT), or a brand new bare head (£800 + VAT). I went for the former, on the basis that it was more likely to have hardened valve seats put in, as opposed to new stock which could have been sitting there for ages. As for divorce, I'm single - with good reason: I can't afford to get hitched. Certainly not now, anyway, hehehe |
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 24-September-2003 at 19:26 | |
Well my car is certainly leaching my pocket too if this makes either of you feel any better. On changing my clutch it has been found that I have a damaged flywheel that should ideally be replaced at a cost of £200 + fitting. The steering box has excessive play and should be done in the next 10k at a cost of £200 + fitting, the central track rod is shot and needs imediate changing at a cost of £150 + fitting, The propshaft coupling is cracked £30 and my new exhaust is blowing which means it needs re welding. I also tried to fit new uprated headlamp bulbs and the old bulbs are fused on and so both headlamps need to be removed and cleaned and this is a major job on a six and is probably 2-3 hours labour. These cars are a LABOUR OF LOVE as a very wise man said to me ..... |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 25-September-2003 at 09:48 | |
Oh, but it'll be worth it in the end. Trouble, I can't see the end of the tunnel at the moment. You'd better get your front / steering subframe checked as well. Mine fractured last year, which caused the steering box to come adrift, and had to be replaced at a cost of £300... |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 ļæ½ North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 30-September-2003 at 16:11 | |
Just back off hols so I'm catching up here. Chips aren't worth bothering with unless the engine is modified beyond normal parameters, then it's the icing on the cake. Think a little chip maker knows more & tested more than BMW? Sorry about your misfortunes Horsetan. I was told a complete new engine from BMW was about £2-3k! Where were you getting your Alpinas from & what size tyres were you trying? |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 01-October-2003 at 09:50 | |
I've managed to find a brand new M30 cylinder head. The Alpina experiment is now curtailed, as it was found that the rims were too wide, particularly at the rear.... |
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