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    Posted: 22-October-2006 at 18:00
Originally posted by Mick525i Mick525i wrote:

Anyone how has stud infront of the justice and tried to make out that the Garda is mistaken will never win. I tried in Kells court when a Garda said that on comming cars had to get out of my way when I was over taking. This was not the case infact the road ahead was empty. I sugested the the justice that this was the only case I had in my head and that the Garda who had 10 cases that day could be mistaken. He said "how should I beleive?? you or the Garda before me".. I got fined £250.....

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Thanks Killian

Did'nt know we had different types of stationary cameras. My quota of new Knowledge for the day.

 

 

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The reflective plates seemingly don't work with cameras that don't flash (non Gatso cameras). This leaves you open to being caught by a garda standing at the side of the road or a mobile patrol, etc.
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Originally posted by denishogan denishogan wrote:

Sorry to go back to this again lads, but I just want to get one thing straight...

Are ye saying that a speeding fine and points can be issued against you based solely on a Garda's "word"? What happens if the Garda takes note of the wrong registration??

I'm afraid it does happen!!! This isn't a dig at the Gardai... we all make mistakes - hell, I make at least four good mistakes an hour!

Anyone how has stud infront of the justice and tried to make out that the Garda is mistaken will never win. I tried in Kells court when a Garda said that on comming cars had to get out of my way when I was over taking. This was not the case infact the road ahead was empty. I sugested the the justice that this was the only case I had in my head and that the Garda who had 10 cases that day could be mistaken. He said "how should I beleive?? you or the Garda before me".. I got fined £250.....

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heard about this before alright!!! surley its highly illegal, if you get caught!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote highbeem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-October-2006 at 19:22

Hi lads

I've seen a product advertised that is applied to the rear plate of the Car that reflects the flash of anyone taking pictures of your number plate.

Nearly sure was in an American car magazine i.e Road & Track, Motor trend. I'll have a look through some when i get home.

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Originally posted by US M3 US M3 wrote:

Originally posted by US M3 US M3 wrote:

Originally posted by topazman topazman wrote:

but ones for penalty points require the personnal touch

So what would happen if the Guard was giving you a ticket and told your there was no penalty points with it, even though you tell him there is?

Then you recieve a fine which is for something completely different and has double the points

Anybody know is there anything I can do about this?

I have found a way tonight, solicitors and Garda they work great together with a few pints

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Originally posted by US M3 US M3 wrote:

Originally posted by topazman topazman wrote:

but ones for penalty points require the personnal touch

So what would happen if the Guard was giving you a ticket and told your there was no penalty points with it, even though you tell him there is?

Then you recieve a fine which is for something completely different and has double the points

Anybody know is there anything I can do about this?

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Sorry to go back to this again lads, but I just want to get one thing straight...

Are ye saying that a speeding fine and points can be issued against you based solely on a Garda's "word"? What happens if the Garda takes note of the wrong registration??

I'm afraid it does happen!!! This isn't a dig at the Gardai... we all make mistakes - hell, I make at least four good mistakes an hour!
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Wait til the private companies start operating then I will bet that this topic will really get heated   
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I can drive other peoples cars on my insurance. If I borrowed a car from someone and they get a fine in the post because I drove past a gatso too fast the owner can blame it on me. But if I refuse to admit to it, or if I say someone else was driving and don't have contact details then what happens?

What if you're selling the car and a prospective buyer takes it for a test drive and gets caught by a gatso?

I think speed checks should only be done by the gardai in person, and a fine/ticket issued to the person in the drivers seat, not necessarily the cars owner.

I also think the obligatory 90 second delay a garda takes before talking to you (you know when they just stare at you like you have just killed 50,000 people, while they pace around the front of the car) is plain daft. This was very funnily re enacted by TJ and TJ on Today FM's Last Word a few weeks back. Fell around laughing. If they catch us speeding ie 94kph in an 80kph zone, they should just walk up and hand us the damn ticket.  

No offense to any Gardai who may read this. I know plenty of Gardai who are all sound, but it seems that only the pricks go out on check points.



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"Last week we got a "speeding fine" / "penalty points" letter in the post... problem is we genuinely dont really know who was driving the car as it could easily have been myself or the wife, the only "evidence" provided is a photo of literally only the number plate of the car. "

Is it possible to create a scape goat for such matters, like if you have a relative in england who still has a irish drivers licence or an elderly relative who no longer drives who could take the points? Or would the question of the person being insured on the vehicle come up..

Is a law being broke if proven otherwise?

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Challange it all the way Paul. Say 4 or 5 people were driving the car that day. Might work. Other than that give the points to Chloe as a Christmas present. What? Bad idea? You can't buy points so I think it would be a truly original gift. And it won't effect her insurance as much as yours. I know thats mean but what ya gonna do?
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@luke: isnt that the same as providing the evidence yourself that convicts you?
i suppose it is!!! best of luck with it, let us know how you get on!!!
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I think a guy in the UK got off recently due to that technicality
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@luke: isnt that the same as providing the evidence yourself that convicts you?
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i do think that either you or your wife will have to take the points on your licence, this happened me before driving the wifes car and a speeding fine came in the post and it turned out i had the car on the day of the speeding and i had to fill in the back of the fine to say i was driving and i got the points!!! i dont think the state can prove who was driving as they normally photo the rear of the car.. its a real bummer!!
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Last week we got a "speeding fine" / "penalty points" letter in the post... problem is we genuinely dont really know who was driving the car as it could easily have been myself or the wife, the only "evidence" provided is a photo of literally only the number plate of the car.

Do i have any grounds to contest?

Surely I'm not obliged to provide the evidence which can "convict" me in this case??? Surely it should be up to the state to provide the evidence that either my wife or I was the one actually speeding??????????

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Proof is usually the Guards word... usually without question -- most judges are cowardly -- it's their gang ---

They were solrs/barristers and dealt with guards on day to day basis... It stays the same... As they move up the ranks, it becomes Inspectors, Supers, Comissioner, dare I gay it the Minister for Injustice - that plonker McD who has the intelligence of a saviour but the cop on of a sewer rat...


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For ordinary stuff (careless driving, speeding without proof etc.) they need to Issue you with a NOTICE OF INTENT TO PROSECUTE within 14 days of the alleged offence. This is where the Guard has not given you a verbal caution "hey sir, I'm a guard, do ya want a beatin'? Ya saw what we did to McB in Donegal. We get away with it because we're tough and thick. I must inform you that you may be prosecuted under s** of the *** Act" etc.


WTF?

Holy crap... so you can be caught for speeding (or any other motoring offence) without proof?!?

Does that not strike anyone as being a little dodgy?
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