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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

I'm going to, but I am waiting till they need to be changed. I'm going to put some Toyo proxes T1Rs on.  



Goodyear Eagle F1-GSD3's.

When I win the lottery maybe

I got a quote for T1Rs 255/40/17 and they're going to set me back about £120 each. For goodyear Eagles i'd be looking at over £150

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...besides according to the tests the Toyos are better

 



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I got a quote for T1Rs 255/40/17 and they're going to set me back about £120 each. For goodyear Eagles i'd be looking at over £150



Worth it, though.
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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Originally posted by spokey spokey wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

I'm going to, but I am waiting till they need to be changed. I'm going to put some Toyo proxes T1Rs on.  



Goodyear Eagle F1-GSD3's.

When I win the lottery maybe

I got a quote for T1Rs 255/40/17 and they're going to set me back about £120 each. For goodyear Eagles i'd be looking at over £150

you want to check out www.mytyres.co.uk cheapest quote i have had for goodyear eagle f-1's.....prices include delivery to your door ...

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...besides according to the tests the Toyos are better



OK, I'll give them a go next time.
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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

I have heard that it is not possible to totally turn off the DSC. Is this true?




No, depends upon which version of DSC you have (basically age of car).

Earlier 530's, a single press of the DSC button disengages the system (I can personally vouch for that ) on later models press once to partially turn of then press and hold for 5 seconds to illuminate a further light on the dashboard indicating it's fully off.

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Originally posted by spokey spokey wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

...besides according to the tests the Toyos are better



OK, I'll give them a go next time.


I've had a big think about this. The last time I looked at tyre test (April), the Toyo's were miles worse in their ranking than the GSD3's. If I was a cynical and suspicious b****rd, I'd say that someone had fiddled the rankings.

Either that, or Toyos have become a lot better and the GSD3's have become a lot worse ... in six months.
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Originally posted by spokey spokey wrote:

Originally posted by spokey spokey wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

...besides according to the tests the Toyos are better



OK, I'll give them a go next time.


I've had a big think about this. The last time I looked at tyre test (April), the Toyo's were miles worse in their ranking than the GSD3's. If I was a cynical and suspicious b****rd, I'd say that someone had fiddled the rankings.

Either that, or Toyos have become a lot better and the GSD3's have become a lot worse ... in six months.

Was the review for the T1s last time? Or maybe they tested them again and reassesed their score?

To be honest I would be getting them regardless of the review. I had them on my 328 and was very impressed. Not only did they totally eliminate the tramlining I got with the bridgestones I had on before, they were also a lot quieter, had more grip (especially in the wet) and cost about £20 less. I then fitted them to my Accord Type-R and was equally impressed.

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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

Was the review for the T1s last time? Or maybe they tested them again and reassesed their score?



I checked every Toyo tyre on the list at the time.

The way Tyre Test works is that every subscriber says how many KM they've done on the tyre and how they rate each tyre. I'm pretty sure that last time the Toyos had fewer miles than the GSD3's and a worse score.

Interesting. Either I have to lose faith in the relative impartiality of the site, or the Toyos really are better than every other tyre out there.

I think the T1-R's must not have come up when I did my last check (or only had a handful of ratings, which meant I'd have disqualified them):

test reports Goodyear EAGLE F1




Average of 284 completed tests Ø Score 2.2
Grip in dry conditions gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.55
Braking in dry condtions gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.61
Grip in wet conditions gutgutgutgutgut Score 2.01
Braking in wet condition gutgutgutgutgut Score 2.10
Grip in snow gutgutgutgutgut Score 4.88
Comfort gutgutgutgutgut Score 2.76
Tyre noise (in car) gutgutgutgutgut Score 2.81
Tyre noise (external) gutgutgutgutgut Score 2.73
Tyre wear gutgutgutgutgut Score 2.97
Kilometers driven 23.098 km

test reports Toyo PROXES T1-S

Average of 244 completed tests Ø Score 2.8
Grip in dry conditions gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.53
Braking in dry condtions gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.72
Grip in wet conditions gutgutgutgutgut Score 2.54
Braking in wet condition gutgutgutgutgut Score 2.67
Grip in snow gutgutgutgutgut Score 5.16
Comfort gutgutgutgutgut Score 3.18
Tyre noise (in car) gutgutgutgutgut Score 3.39
Tyre noise (external) gutgutgutgutgut Score 3.18
Tyre wear gutgutgutgutgut Score 4.18
Kilometers driven 20.031 km

test reports Toyo PROXES T1-R




Average of 132 completed tests Ø Score 1.6
Grip in dry conditions gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.36
Braking in dry condtions gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.48
Grip in wet conditions gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.55
Braking in wet condition gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.61
Grip in snow gutgutgutgutgut Score 5.21
Comfort gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.87
Tyre noise (in car) gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.58
Tyre noise (external) gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.70
Tyre wear gutgutgutgutgut Score 1.82
Kilometers driven 21.217 km

Looks like Toyo T1-R's are the one to go for, then.


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I have it on good authority that Northumbria Traffic Police rate the G/Year F1's very highly (which is why I have them on my 635) but they just won't bother with "budget tyres".

Now Toyo's may have been a budget tyre once but, from what I've heard, they are of comparable quality now. I remember getting a set of Yokohama's around 1982 & nobody except bikers had heard of the make. Now they are top premium tyres.

Either way, if you are going to buy a pair of tyres for £240+, is another £40 a big deal? It's hardly a months wages!

As ever, it's a balance between grip & longevity - you pays your money etc. If you find you don't like one particular brand/model get a different one when they wear out.
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Either way, if you are going to buy a pair of tyres for £240+, is another £40 a big deal? It's hardly a months wages!

The difference in price from my local tyre place is around £60, which still isn't a huge ammount of cash but I would still rather not spend it. Especially as we are comming up to the most expensive time of year. I would never buy cheap tyres to save cash but when IMO Toyos are as good as the top brands I don't see any reason to deprive myself of a couple of nights out for the sake of getting Goodyears

I'm the kind of person who has every single penny accounted for every month. If for any reason I don't spend it or funnel into a savings account it goes to paying down my over draft or credit card bill, so for me every lillte bit counts. After all I don't want to have to not have a for a whole month  



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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

I would never buy cheap tyres to save cash but when IMO Toyos are as good as the top brands I don't see any reason to deprive myself of a couple of nights out for the sake of getting Goodyears



Fair enough.

It would seem tyre prices have risen as I paid £103 for 235/40 x 17 & £117 for 255/40 x 17 at the beginning of 2004. My friend was quoted £150 or so for 225/50 x16 a couple of months ago.

I may well look at Toyo's next time I need tyres.

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I payed £220 for 2 x Eagle F1 fitted and all the other c**p they do. VAT, balancing, Valves, Tyre disposal, fitting.....What happend to the days were you just went to a garage and got a quote for a pair of tyres.

I think on the web these tyres are £110, but then you have to pay for fitting, making it no chjeaper than the local tyre garage. In my experience anyway. And yes every penny counts in my house hold too!!!!!

Peter i only have ASC on my car, not sure of the difference, can this be turned of in the same manner by holding down on the button...

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Peter i only have ASC on my car, not sure of the difference, can this be turned of in the same manner by holding down on the button...

yes, apparently you can hold the button down for a few seconds and the light will come on permanently until ignition switch-off


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will give it a go, will it be dangerous.

I thought when the light comes on it is on, as when you go over speed humps a little fastyou can see the light flicker on the dash that comes when you press thre asc button. It has to feel unstable  before it can stabalise something me is thinkng.

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of course it won't be dangerous providing you don't hit something, then it will be painful to both wallet and body

bye-bye electronic safety net, it's just you and your reactions vs 1.5 tonnes of motor car


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just you and your reactions vs 1.5 tonnes of motor car



Which is the way it should be!
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will give it a go, will it be dangerous.


My ASC has been gone for almost two years now (I think). I will get the part fixed for my NCT (MoT) whenever I intend doing it, but other than that I have no reason to replace it. The car is so well behaved anyhow that it isn't an issue. i used to turn it off fully whenever I was driving anyhow.
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I read an interesting post a short while ago that related tyre performance to
the weight of the car; it explained why a certain tyre may be brilliant on one
one car model but poor on another. For example, if you have tyres that are
intended for a heavier car put onto one that is "too light", they do not get
enough energy through them, do not warm up as much as designed, and
the rubber compound does not perform as was intended. Result is sub-
optimal grip and wear.
I decided to go back to OEM tyres when my set were due for replacement,
and I believe my car was originally supplied by BMW with Continental Sport
Contacts, so that is what I switched to. I figure also that BMW spent a bit of
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I have been pleasantly supprised at how nimble my 530 feels considering how big it is, however I have been informed by some drivers of more performance orientated machinery that the only one that handles well is the M5. In fact one person actually said thay the e39 was not designed to go round corners and that I was wearing BMW blinkers. I would have simply ignored them but several have driven them and one is a traffic cop with quite a bit of motoring experience

So what do they other e39 drivers think, especialy those that have driven more high performance cars. Am I fooling myself or is the E39 as good on the twisties as it is on the motorway?

I see you asked Evo magazine for their input too, your letter is printed this month in the new 100th issue ....

Q.  I recently sold my Honda Accord Type-R and bought an E39 BMW 530 Sport.  Now, although it's not as agile as the Accord and doesn't have the limited-slip diff to help it round corners, I am actually quite pleased with how well it handles for such a big car.

However, a lot of people I know keep telling me that I have 'BMW blinkers' on and that the E39 doesn't handle well at all except in M5 guise.

Am I mad and is my big old 5-series really a barge best left on the motorway, or is it as good as I think?

- Peter Fenwick

A.  First off, if you enjoy driving your 530, then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.  What hits the spot for one driver might miss by a mile for another.  Having said that, we reckon the E39 is still a darned good saloon and I wouldn't be surprised if its ride/handling compromise is better than the current model on its run-flats.

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