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    Posted: 03-April-2007 at 17:29

I'm thinking about changing my E39 to ideally another (much newer) E39.  I was thinking about finding a 530i Sport but I now have a notion to find a nice V8.

My problem is though I can't find any 535i or 540i E39s (02 plate on wards) for sale anywhere within what seems like a 180 mile radius of where I stay.....so my mind has wandered slightly like when my mate pointed out that I could get a thumping big 5.7 V8 in the form of a Vauxhall Monaro for under £20k some even as low as £16k with 7k on the clock.

#1 choice would be a V8 E39

#2 choice would be a E39 530iA Sport on a 03 or 53 plate

#3 choice would be another V8 it must be rear wheel drive (d'uh!) not a Merc or a Lexus or an American caddy but what is there out here that would meet this? All I can think of is a Monaro and a S Type Jag but I'm not convinced by the big Jag.

Doesn't leave much choice does it.  What do you lot think.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 540 V8 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-April-2007 at 19:31

Looking at what Top gear and 5th gear both said about the Monaro, it sounds like heaps of fun for little cash but little cash could be the clue to a cheply built car with a poor quality feel which was echoed by Clarkson and the guy with the beard on 5th gear (can't remember his name) I just feel you may regret it after the quality feel of the BMW. Depends on whether you are just after a big powerful engine or the full package.

IMO, stick with the beemer, you know it makes sense! If time is on your side, use it to your advantage, keep looking and wait for the moment when the perfect one comes your way.

Remember the Heinz ketchup advert? "All good things come to those who wait"

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the interior plastics and leather seats do look and feel a bit low-rent, but i'd still love to own one, either the standard 5.7, the 6.0 vxr or the supercharged 6.0 special... a brash old school beast of a car, and a real automotive two-fingered salute to the environmentalists...anyone want to swap?

or you could go for an e39 m5, they're very reasonable now if a bit unreliable


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I was under the false impression that the E39 530I and 540I were V8 engined cars???

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the 530i uses the M54 straight 6 engine. The 540i used a V8
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Was it the E34 cars that used to have the V8 530I then?

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Originally posted by BeemaBoy BeemaBoy wrote:

Was it the E34 cars that used to have the V8 530I then?

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Yip quite correct, they had a wee V8.  3.0 is still within 6 pot range, saying that the E34 535i had a big straight 6 pot.

I know what you are saying about waiting and that is fortunately what I can afford to do.  I don't need to change my 523i, I would like to change it but only change it to one that is nice, so yes I can afford to wait till the right one comes along.

Stephen, can't access your links.

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Buy the Monaro. You only live once.....

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where are you living, i thought the monaro was only avail in ozzie land
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Originally posted by dryle dryle wrote:

where are you living, i thought the monaro was only avail in ozzie land

I live just in Houston, about 15 miles from Glasgow.  Nearest Monaro for sale is in Fife.

I have only ever seen 3 or 4 since the launch but the autotrader is full of them.

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If you can afford to, be patient and wait until a suitable BMW in the spec you require comes along and also be prepared to travel to find a decent one.  A normal S-type V8 will be too soft (chassis wise) compared to the BMW.

As for the Jaguar, I have driven the S-Type R 4.2 V8 Supercharged.  I was impressed by the effortless pace, the awesome gearbox, so smooth with good response and ratios, the spec level and what a car on the 2nd hand market.  The only downside was that space, not as big as I would have liked it to be for rear passenger leg room, the boot long but very shallow making it questionable in terms of practicality.  There indicator stalks and some switch gear was lifted straight out of Mondeos which let the overall qaulity feel down at times.  The handling was better than I expected, smooth, sure footed but when you pressed on at the limits it was just a touch on the soft side, but fine for most enthusiastic use on public roads. 

As a result I got the XKR 4.2 (I just had to have the supercharged Jag V8 with the 6spd auto box!! its a amazingly addictive).   

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Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

Originally posted by dryle dryle wrote:

where are you living, i thought the monaro was only avail in ozzie land

I live just in Houston, about 15 miles from Glasgow.  Nearest Monaro for sale is in Fife.

I have only ever seen 3 or 4 since the launch but the autotrader is full of them.

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Hmmmm, for a car that isn't exactly high volume production, why so many in the trader?

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Andrew, I went from an E34 525i SE manual to a 2001 E39 530iA Sport just over a year ago, the difference in power between the 192BHP and the 231BHP is very noticable even with an auto box to slow it down.  In sport mode it's acceleration is very impressive, it's certainly faster than a friend's Volvo T5 and a lot more reliable too from what I've heard.

I spent a good few months test driving different cars before buying this one and the only one which impressed me as much (I didn't even contemplate an M5) was the 540i, however when I noticed how fast the fuel gauge was dropping I realised that the 530i was the more sensible choice - I get about 34-35MPG on a motorway cruise when running on Shell V-Power.  I do a combination of long distance motorway driving, city driving and country twisty roads and it copes fine with all of them, the steering in the 530i seems much more precise than the bigger V8 cars which I hear is because the steering rack is better in the 6 pot cars and the weight distribution is near 50/50 instead having of a big heavy engine up front.

That's my opinion of the 530iA Sport, I'd suggest you go out and test drive some cars and see what the difference between the engines actually feels like when sat behind the wheel.

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Holden HSV?    Is this the same as the Monaro?

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I know what you are saying about the 530i.  When you study the figures, the 530i makes the most sensible choice.

It has better feel to the steering due to the V8's having drop links instead of rack and pinion.  It has the best power/performance v cost figures.  I have done a few numbers/plotted graphs in excel to demonstrate this to myself but the 530i isn't a V8.  I would really like to say that I have owned a V8.  If the 530i was a V8....dream on....

I think you are right, I have to test drive some cars first.  I have test driven two 530d and after the second I had fully decided that (and I know I'll get pelters for this but..) to me it reminded me of both my parents bag of nails sounding diesel Mondeos and that I won't be buying a diesel E39!  Besides my wee 523i had better throttle pick up response when driving hard on country roads.  Both diesels when floored from being stopped at give ways to a fast take off, sat and farted for a few seconds before moving off, my 523i is off straight away.

Off to a few dealers me thinks.

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When did you give up your V8??!!

Was it just too much to run?

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Andrew......V8 my friend.....the difference in steering isnt that much unless you're off tracking it. 535 later model with 245bhp or the 540.

........or an M5 for the money you're looking at spending.


......or the Alpina E39 V8.

...OR just buy the supercharged 540 engine FAB have in and shoehorn it into your current 5.

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Ahh now actually I hadn't considered the Alpina option, I have to admit that given the choice between the 530 or 540 and the Alpina B10 I'd go for the latter any day, but they are a bit specialist so you'd probably have to expect big bills... unless stephenperry thinks otherwise?

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