Another attack by the Gov.

it was it institute that got me, head not with all these tla's

what is the iam, forgiving my stoopidity

dryle wrote: Nigel wrote: They are a very well organised and very powerful group on the mainland. is that mainland europe???? only taking the p   found this http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/highways/road_safety_traffic_m gmt/speed_limits.htm Do lower speed limits result in lower speeds? Not always. In Halstead speeds increased when we changed the limit from 40mph to 30mph. In Quorn vehicle speeds came down when we raised the speed limit from 30mph to 40mph.

Don't get me started lol, we'll be onto Londonderry & Southern Ireland next

No amount of new traffic laws are going to make much difference, its all about training & attitude.

As my yanky mates often say, "stand back, take time to smell the flowers"

I can't really comment on the Garda's take on things, although there are Garda officers that are part of the forum who could.

I have known occasions where the British police have pulled people for travelling slowly, doing 20 mph wouldn't be a good idea if your travelling on the M6 for instance.

The speed limit, in British law, is just that, its a limit, it is not a target.

I'm actually on your side in this "chat", but I do work in my own time for the IAM, I do from time to time get the chance to mix with the "other side" (safety cretins), and over the years I've gotten used to their counters to arguements like the ones posted on this thread.

They are a very well organised and very powerful group on the mainland.

Heres one to make you smile, there was a move a couple of years ago, over here, to increase the motorway speed limit from 70 mph, to 85 mph.

It was defeated, but it wasn't defeated on safety grounds, the safety cretins knew they had no chance on safety grounds, as the motorways over here are the safest roads, and also the roads where the speed limit is most often broken, so they defeated it on envoiromental grounds, extra fuel useage and noise pollution.

my wife was pulled a few years ago by the boys in blue for not keeping to the speed limit, speed limits are there to be adhered to by both keeping to it and staying within it.

i also know a chap that was pulled for overtaking on a continuous white line and he argued that the car in front kept stopping/braking for no reason and he spoke with the garda and was let off with a caution as the garda in question agreed with him.

i do agree that there is no need for excessive speeding and if you want to arrive early then leave earlier, but at times there may be unmitigating circumstances that require you to speed, as in getting to hospital and cant wait for an ambulance you call the police and they may give you an escort, i know this may not be a good example but all i can think of.

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there is no logical reason against limiters/scameras however they should be placed in areas where accidents occur, over here they are on motorways whereas they should be on accident blackspots and we only ever have about 4 cameras over here with film in them so its russian roulette

Your correct Dryle.

We all know you are correct, but even given what you say, what reason can you give for wishing to exceed speed limits ?

Without a legal reason for wishing to do this, what logical arguement can you give against limiters & scameras ?

I can't think of a case where it would be necessary, but I'm sure you'll come up with something where anothers driving has forced you to do so.

Breaking a speed limit is an "absolute" offence, just breaking it makes the offence complete, there is no requirement to show danger.

You'll find these limiters as difficult to argue against as scameras.

Its always easy to be wise after events have already happened, but if drivers had shown more restraint in the past, and we weren't killing something like 10 people a week on our roads, then perhaps we wouldn't find ourselves in this position.

In which case Simon, the overtake isn't on.

Speed limits are simple, they are simply that, a limit, to exceed this limit you need an exemption, which you can never have, you can at best only have mitigation.

I'm not going to be two faced and say I never exceed a posted speed limit, but I do so in the full knowledge of what I'm doing.

To put forward arguements against limiting devices that involve breaking a posted speed limit are absolutely pointless, & play straight into the hands of the cretins that want these limiters in the first place.

Absolutely correct old pitsy poo's