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for those that haven't seen the new ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ8oCq8hXps
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Originally posted by irelandoffline irelandoffline wrote:


If any of you can remember the ad, the boy just strolled across the road, not looking at where he was going or anything. What do people think is that it's always the drivers fault. If your going to walk across the road like that you deserve what happens to you. It's a friggin' road, with cars and trucks and vans driving on it. Did he not even here the Transit coming?

WHERE ARE ALL THE ADS ABOUT THE GREEN CROSS CODE GONE?


i think that ad was for pedestrians to be more aware of road conditions, there is a sort of green cross code ad in cartoon mode with hedgehogs.

bring back the dog from wanderly wagon for the kids, the amount of times i have had to pull my 6yr old up about looking for cars when he is out playing.

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Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:


Originally posted by beemerchris beemerchris wrote:

Them parked cars (most likely the 4x4 from the
mums on the school run will make it impossible for a car to stop in time.


The onus is on the driver to drive at a speed where they can stop in
time if they need to. 


More accurately, you have to be able to stop in the distance that you can SEE
to be CLEAR, not assume to be clear.
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Originally posted by m3sport m3sport wrote:

Sorry, have to agree with irelandoffline.  The driver is always deemed wrong.  A drunk walked out in fron of someone i know, and he killed him stone dead.  It was clearly the drunks fault, but it still had to go to court to return a verdict.......My point, is that, the driver is always asumed wrong without thought.


Without any offence to you or your friend intended, there is a principle in law that those in a position of responsibilty or control (e.g. a driver) has an additional duty of care to the vulnerable (e.g. a drunk, a child). The misdemeanor of being drunk, unattentive or being ignorant will always be seen to be a lesser fault than (accidental) injury or death.

I once was told by an advanced driving instructor that the sign of a good driver was their ability to predict, take account of and adapt to the poor driving of others. I guess that could extend to pedestrians as well.
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Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:

Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:


Originally posted by beemerchris beemerchris wrote:

Them parked cars (most likely the 4x4 from the
mums on the school run will make it impossible for a car to stop in time.


The onus is on the driver to drive at a speed where they can stop in
time if they need to. 


More accurately, you have to be able to stop in the distance that you can SEE
to be CLEAR, not assume to be clear.

I'm sure you mean reasonable as you can not be expected to look trough a car or van parked at the roadside. Otherwise passing pedestrians who don't make eye contact means slow down to 20km/h or so as if one just steps on the road that's it if you hit him you would be at fault?

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Originally posted by beemerchris beemerchris wrote:

Originally posted by flyingalexf68 flyingalexf68 wrote:

Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:


Originally posted by beemerchris beemerchris wrote:

Them parked cars (most likely the 4x4 from the
mums on the school run will make it impossible for a car to stop in time.


The onus is on the driver to drive at a speed where they can stop in
time if they need to. 


More accurately, you have to be able to stop in the distance that you can SEE
to be CLEAR, not assume to be clear.

I'm sure you mean reasonable as you can not be expected to look trough a car or van parked at the roadside. Otherwise passing pedestrians who don't make eye contact means slow down to 20km/h or so as if one just steps on the road that's it if you hit him you would be at fault?

or worse some stupid, ignorant neanderthal who pushes a buggy/pram out from behind a parked car.

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Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

for those that haven't seen the new ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ8oCq8hXps


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Originally posted by beemerchris beemerchris wrote:

I'm sure you mean reasonable as you can not
be expected to look trough a car or van parked at the roadside. Otherwise
passing pedestrians who don't make eye contact means slow down to
20km/h or so as if one just steps on the road that's it if you hit him you
would be at fault?



Well if I'm driving along a road which has parked cars and vans I will try
look under them or through the windows but when I can't I will drive a
little slower and usually drive as far out in the middle as I can. If there are
cars coming the other way and it's a tight squeez I'll drive even slower.
Also factor in time of day and pedestrian activity on the path etc, and
proxcimaty to shops, schools, greens etc. And I'll always be more ready to
brake and will be paying more attention to the road ahead. Sure, amn't I
just the best?

Also might I ad that I was knocked down by a car when I was nearly 7.
Still have the scars on my forhead. (Although they're a bit better since I
had lazer treatment 5 years ago). There were parked cars on the road and
I walked/ran out after a friend who had already crossed a few seconds
before me. My mum didn't sue because it was assumed it was my fault
(which of course it was) because I hit the side of the car more then the
front. My mum was told by the gardai that most people would sue the
insurance company anyway but she didn't. Thinking of it now she should
have. The driver should have been driving slower and further out from the
parked cars not only because this is best practice but because my friend
had already run across ahead of me. I could have got a load of cash on
my 18th birthday. Dammit anyway.

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verry sorry to hear of your accident.

What I'm trying to say is that ALL participants in traffic have to take care and are responsible for their actions. IIRC the van was 5 or 10 meter max away as the lad steps on the road no way does he have a chance to stop in time. His fault than ? don't think so should he be sued from the family or the girlfriend? no way

I learned driving in Germany where standards are far higher as there are mor cars on the road. So for me looking ahead, anticipate road condition and visibility etc at all times is part of driving for me however accidents happen there as well

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