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Being a dog owner, I'm fed up of dog attacks getting dogs a bad name. Dogs will only attack if shown the wrong signals or they or members of their pack (family) are threatened. If we want to be a nation of dog owners, we have to learn more about them, not make them conform to human morals which they are never going to understand. This story is a big long but well written and I feel gives a fantastic insight into what really provokes a dog to attack. It's about time we understood them more! (I have had permission from the author to reproduce this to raise awareness of this point) Anatomy of a Dog Attack ~ Copyright © Ryan O’Meara |
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This is all very well and I agree with the overall sentiment, dogs act on their instincts, many of which most dog owners don't understand, but... Some dogs are bred specifically for their agressive nature. Rotweillers for example make good guard dogs and breeds such as Pitbulls have been bred to fight. While you cannot blame the dog for what it is (or how it has been bred by humans) that doesn't mean you can excuse the fact that they can be dangerous. Sure in the correct hands and with the proper training almost any dog can be safe but you cannot expect everyone who may come into contact with that dog to be know how to behave and how to read the signs, especially children. I am not a dog owner and while I have nothing against them I do not see why I should have to adapt my behaviour to ensure that I am not attacked by a Dog. At the end of the day the problem lies with Dog owners. I would question anyone who choses to own a fighting dog such as a pitbull. You can understand the desire to own a guard Dog, but not one bred purely for fighting. Dogs are predators. There is only one actual species of Dog, so that playful pooch you have in your home is the same species as the European Wolf and the African wild Dogs that hunt in packs. If you decide to own a dog than it is up to you to make sure you train it correctly and understand the responsibillity you have to make sure you can control it. People who have dogs that end up being destroyed due to biting someone should be banned from owning a dog again without having been through proper training, as it is after all their fault that the dog attacked in the first place. |
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Well said Peter I agree. And ...... IMO dog owners should require a licence that allows them to own a dog and would in some way show that they are a suitable person and know how to take care of dog(s) properly. Furthermore I’d like to see all dogs registered and chipped against their owners licence with a sample of the dogs DNA kept on record. Any inappropriate behaviour by either licence holder or the dog, particularly where the dogs are allowed to roam and defecate the streets would be dealt with appropriately. I’m sick to the gunnels of avoiding dog turds on the street. Particularly sickening over the past few months is seeing a young blind guy stepping in and a young mother pushing her pram through. It made me wonder if the young guy had been blinded by a disease that his mother unknowingly brought into their house on the wheels of his pram. Its not dogs I dislike, its irresponsible dog owners. Owners must be made to take responsibility for their dogs. |
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Agree with some sort of license fund for dog owners and that the owner is responsible for the dogs actions/behaviour. The license fee funds should be apportioned to the RSPCA or such like to assist their good work and also the community wardens, who's job it is to get rid of the dugsh1t on the street anyway and fine dog owners who don't clear up after them. (Although I for one, haven't heard of any incidents of fining dog owners at all for this crime..)
I have even complained to the council about the dog excrement on the streets, who in turn say, that it's the community wardens' department to deal with this, and that my concerns have been passed onto them. A week or so later, I see a community warden van parked in a lay-by in the countryside...WTF is he doing there?? Shouldn't he be in the town doing his rounds? ..anyway (grumpy old man rant over) It's not the dogs fault, it's the inconsiderate owners.. |
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The problems are not directly with the animals but more correctly with inappropriate control of the animals and owners not taking responsibility for themselves and/or their animals. Same things applies with cars, in themselves they rarely kill but if inappropriately controlled they can. I completely agree with Peter that the general public should not have to alter their behaviour to avoid being attacked by dogs - although a basic level of common sense in the general public should be a reasonable expectation too. People would consider it ridiculous if someone suggested that everyone should stay indoors forever so that muggers can't attack them when its a not unreasonable expectation that people should be able to go about their business without undue fear of attack. If the animals are appropriately controlled (by actions or training) then the issue doesn't arise and there is no conflict. Edited by Dergside |
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that's the sort of thing you hear from snoty dog oners. I have been bitten and atacket FOR NO reason I did'nt even see the dog. The other time I was out walking My dog on a lead when this other dog came from no wear I had to cover my border Cole and then other dog went 4 me My dog was never the same again see was geting old but it was a big knock for her. I miss my dog. I can't stand people that can't control Dog's there the one's that should be putt down :(
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LMAO too far! There is nothing written for common sense, so where are they gonna find that out? Maybe 'Dog awareness' evening classes.. |
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I agree totally. I have been part of a campaign for about a year now to try and get dog ownership licenced. In order to gain a provisional licence you should be able to prove that you have the knowlege to train the dog, and show the dog will be kept in a good home. There is a scheme called the good dog citizen scheme. There are 3 levels, bronze, silver and gold. Each level is a number of tests that the dog and owner must pass to achieve that level. This would be the final test to gain the full license. I have 3 kids all under the age of 5 so I'd never have dogs that are dangerous. Rottweilers are actually one of the most gentle species you can imagine. It's only their appearance ,the fact they are bred as guard dogs and a couple of attacks that got in the press that give them a bad name. Working dogs are bred for their particular attributes. German shepherds are good as police dogs because they are very intelligent, obidient and strong making them ideal. Rottweilers on the other hand naturally have a good temperament and are only used as guard dogs because of their agressive looks. They are not naturally hard dogs, quite the opposite infact. Pitbulls on the other hand I do have to agree, it's bred into them to be natually agressive and it was right to ban them. That poor baby who was mauled a few months back was a tragedy and the dogs were put down for doing what they are trained to do. The people were staying round their parents pub to look after it while the owners were away. The dogs are guard dogs for the pub. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that leaving a poor defensless baby who is a stranger on their territory that they are trained to protect, was going to be at risk. The owners should not have left the dogs with the family at all or at least the dogs should have never been left with the baby for a second. Again, it comes down to the owners NOT the dogs who are at fault. As I have what are usually used as guard/army/police dogs I'm just fed up with the bad press the dogs get but never any mention of the owners being bad owners. It's these people who give my dogs a bad name. I know my dogs are fine with anyone, but I'd still never leave my kids with them no matter what because they may just push the dogs boundries too far and that cannot happen. I have trained my dogs to tolerate my kids. They can pull their fur, tease them, take food off them or anything like that and my dogs will just walk away or just sit there patiently waiting for it to stop! Whether the licence scheme ever happens or not we'll never know but one thing is for sure, it's the owner who makes the dog who they are, just like it is us who makes our kids what they are. Mike |
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Yes I forgot to mention the dog mess too. There are one or two dog owners near me who I have seen let their dogs foul on the grass and not pick it up. It makes my blood boil because it could be my kids who end up in it. I actually took a picture on my phone once of the owner with the dog caught in the act. I then emailed the pic to the council with the owners address . I saw them a week later carrying some bags and picking up after their dog! I only have 2 more owners to shop locally and I may be able to walk my dogs without worring about stepping in someone elses mess! Mike P.S. I'll bring my dogs to Gaydon next year and you can see how lovely they are |
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Yes Mike, I'm sure thepits would love to meet them.. |
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"Dogs will only attack if shown the wrong signals or they or members of their pack (family) are threatened."
Having been the victim of a dog attack I completly disagree with you first statement and many others. I was attacked by a Doberman in a well know forestry walk, which is full of families with young kids. This guy had two dogs which were completly out of control, one dog was circling me before the attack, not only did he not have control of the dogs but he didn't seen overly concerned when my friends were shouting to get the dogs under control. I was actually on my bike at the time when it attacked. Is bit me straight into the back of my leg. Now I ride mountain bikes all the time, but what would of happened if it was a four years old girl, she would of lost her ballance then god know what the dog would have done. We reported it to the police. I now believe dogs with a dangerous predigree should not be allowed in public places or at least on a lead. My partners friend also had a Doberman and I know exactly what it's like, I've heard the stories of what it's done, thankfully its aggression is directed towards other dogs and not people, well not yet! So what was the reason for this attack then? If you say dogs don't attack for no reason.... bull! If it's because I was on a bike and it felt intiminated well that's not good enough, they shouldn't be allowed in a public place if that's the case. These beautiful places are for people to enjoy, not a place we should feel threatened in. Edited by GWatson |
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I totally agree that dog owners should be licensed (no high fees though) and the dogs should be collared and tagged.
I have been around dogs all my life but have yet to be bitten despite having met some real nasty characters in the boarding kennels that we used to run. Some people just dont get bitten.. you are either at one with Gods beasts or you 'aint.. and most folk 'aint. Thats why only 'bombproof' dogs should be allowed to run around in places with Joe Public as I am afraid that through no fault of his own Joe puts himself at risk by being with animals that he cannot or does not want to understand. Edited by Nick |
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OK, I didn't make it clear. What I meant was, wel controlled dogs won't attack for no reason. I myself was attacked by a german shepherd when I was 6 and still have the scar on my knee but I hold it against the owner. I don't remember much more about it apart from the fact it flippin hurt and bled a lot! Some dogs are not disciplined and just like some unruly kids, can be completely out of control, both of which can cause severe damage. The kids usually only vandalise things like cars whereas dogs will attack people but again, it's their owners/parents that are usually to blame as they have had no control and therefore do not know any boundries. I fully sympathise with anyone who has ever been attacked but the point I'm making is instead of just killing the dogs, the owners should face severe punishment unless it can be proved the dogs were acting in self defense. The only thing I'm a bit confused about is what you mean by 'dangerous pedigree'? A proper pedigree (as mine are) are pure bred and bred by professional breaders for particular useful attributes they have but they still need to be trained to realise those attributes. In my opinion the only thing that makes a dangerous dog is a dangerous owner. Any dog, no matter what pedigree has the potential to attack and be viscious, again, depending on it's owner. Look at cases in the past where horrific attacks have taken place by humans. In those cases either mental health is at fault or a bad background of poor dicipline and there is no such pedigree involved with humans. Mike Edited by 540 V8 |
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I'm very interested by all of this. I have two labradors, one chocolate, one golden, I've been around this breed and alsations for my entire life. I'm very embarrased to have to say it, but recently my dogs "packed" and attacked another dog. I am at a total loss to explain their behaviour, they were in a wood they are familiar with, they are always off lead in this wood, they mix with other dogs every day, they play with anyone who will play with them. The other dog, a spaniel, was hurt badly but has survived, its owner and I know each other, these dogs know each other. Neither the other owner or myself have a clue as to what went wrong that day, we were just having a smoke together, the dogs were doing their own thing, not playing with each other, then my golden lab attacked, and the chocolate one joined in with no worries. I've seen labradors get very annoyed, usually by silly people that think they are teddy bears and encroach onto the dogs territory. I'm at this moment very unsure what to do with my two, weve been back to the woods, I've observed them very closely, and its as if nothing has happened, but according to the original poster, I'm an irresponsible dog owner, as I just don't know what caused them to attack that day. |
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That seem very odd nigel but,
It may be relative to what one was smokin'? chocolate dogs, I ask you.. |
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What useful attributes does a Staffordshire bull terrier have? Weren't they bred for fighting originally? |
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ive been a dog lover/owner for as long as i can remember and none of my dogs have ever attacked anyone or anything if anything they have been on the receiving end of attacks and none of them have been what you would call small or wimpish dogs . I see a couple of you have mentioned the "DANGEROUS DOG" line , now thats a tag that really annoys me ! my dogs have all been in that band yet have all been attacked by "loving family" dogs usually labs,retrievers,collies even jack russels and possibly the funniest time a minature yorkie yet never bitten back . it has absolutly nothing to do with the dogs themselves , its the owners that have the sort of dogs your talking about that are the problem . staffordshire pitbull terriers are the usual target for the halfwit asbo muppets that buy them as a fashion statement or simply over feed them to make them big and then walk around with them to make themselves look hard . (if swearing was allowed you would see how much this makes my blood boil). just so you can see the type of dogs i have heres a couple of pics .
my old bullmastiff with my son (sadly i dont see either anymore as my ex has dissapeared with both,possibly the biggest mistake of my life but thats another story alltogther) but that dog ended up being nearly 14 stone and stood nearly 6 feet tall , he had the potential to kill a whole housing estate but would never hurt anything bigger than a wasp . my old staffie aswell , gutted that he passed away in may of this year . he was the size of your average lab but again never bit anyone or anything . they used to play fight with each other and it looked rough but they never actually bit or did any kind of damage , it used to look quite rough but NEVER went any further than play. we now have a 6 month old staffie pup again , he's hard work and is very strong will'd (sp) but again hes very loving and and gentle when he needs to be .
so what exactly is dangerous about these beautiful animals ? they may have the ability to do major damage but so does a poodle so whats the difference ? ITS THE OWNERS . dog licencing is a bloody good idea imho , it might stop these asbo wannabe's from getting hold of loving family pets and turning them into hated creatures . and finally for the record , staffies werent originally bred for fighting . they were bred as nurserie dogs to protect babies and children. im guessing some of you will never change your opinion on these types of dogs but if my experiences can give you a very small amount of positive feeling towards them then i guess my job is done . Edited by thepits |
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We have a lot of staffies being walked in the woods. In equal proportions, some are great, some are awful, in almost all circumstances when they are awful they are being walked by chav types with their caps on backwards, the owners are covered in spots and struggle to speak English without using the "F" word. When they are nice they are normaly walked by people with young familys, so I have to go with the comments above. My own lovable breed, the labrador, are always in the top ten for biting people and other animals, but I've yet to come across anyone frightened of a lab, mores the pity !
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Hmmm...difficult dogs... I use to walk home from school in my last few years, as my lift fell through on many occasion... I remeber one day that I was walking up the road just a few blocks from my house... In the middle of the road, with no visible human support, was a huge black Rottweiler! So, naturally I gave it a wide birth and did not look at it... Just as I was passed it, it suddenly decided for some reason that I was a threat and took off at me. I, instintively, ran as fast as I could(know now that that was the wrong thing to do) away from a huge dog that was snarling and snapping at me. He did catch me and proceded to bite though my bag...lucky for me!!! Now, I consider that to be totally unprovoked! I was not on the dogs territory or was I behaving in a threatning manner! Yet another story...my moms new dog, that she adopted from the SPCA, seems to have a serious problem with me. The dog is seriously aggresive one moment and then he is your best friend the next. When I get home, he will run up to my car and start wildly barking at it. When I get out he gets even more aggresive. I usually get fed up and end up telling him to shut up, which makes him even more angry. After I walk inside the house, and he comes to the sliding garden door, he is fine! Will lick my hand and leave his head at the door to be loved!!! Explain that! He has been with is now for about 2 years and he still sees me as a threat. I have noticed that he also tries to stare me down on a regular basis...getting very angry and aggresive when I ignore him! I do agree that all of the above are owner problems, but not even sure how to sort out my problem with my moms dog. Guess this is the sort of risk you get by adopting a dog... I must admit, I am not a dog person... I rather chose a cat as my companion! No risk there ... BB |
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