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    Posted: 15-November-2007 at 17:20

an M5 is an OK car  on e bay right now is an Aston Martin with LPG did'nt bother the owner there .

I have had  a maserati converetd   & it went very well indeed .

I have also had a Twin turbo special Chasseur Jaguar converted & a guy came from Zurich just to buy it,did'nt put him off.

I then Had a nice 540 Manual converted & to be honest that went far better on Lpg it was so smooth , the BMW V8's go very well on LPG.

I now have a M3 .......NO I am not having that converted ,why because I beleive that the time of LPG savings has passed.

nothing to with it being an "M" car oh whoopee doo, no not at all.....

From this year on there will be an increase of 1 p per litre over & above that of petrol. Also, & this is the main reason,there is a dirty little secret of LPG that NONE of the LPG installers want you to know.

Dirty gas...after a while there is a build up of Gummy residue that gums the LPG injectors ,these are hard to clean the car runs like a pig & you lose your savings as you are on petrol & a trip back to the installer who tries to clean at cost £30 usually. ALL the injectors are affected on ALL of the kits , the gas sent here from Europe is of inferior quality & is more propane than over there ,ALL the LPG kits are designed for the europe LPG gas , there is one Kit called PIRO that has been designed specifically for UK  but thats got its problems too including the sticking injectors.

This has only recently been the case, 3 years ago everything was Rosy but Now LPG is well...The Pitts .excuse the pun old Bean.

 

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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

About £2500 for the conversion...


for which you could get a nice (diesel) daily run-about, lay-up the M5 and only bring it out in the summer.


The best of both worlds



£1800 for a conversion, about 15k miles before it's paid for itself and then it's like filling up in the states.

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Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

About £2500 for the conversion...

for which you could get a nice (diesel) daily run-about, lay-up the M5 and only bring it out in the summer.

The best of both worlds

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About £2500 for the conversion...
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No one has yet asked, but how much is a LPG conversion on a M5?

.......and why are manufacturers not going down the LPG route, because it's is also a finite resource?


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Thanks for the reply.
I follow your logic ref resale values and m even inclined to agree...
I'm still mulling it all over!
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sorry I was offline over the weekend.

But the point I was trying to make was that having an LPG conversion is purely a money saving exersise.  From a car buyers perspective, it's not the conversion that is the issue, it's the logic/mindset of the person who fitted it.

Some old vehicles probably are worth more with a good LPG conversion.  When you buy a car lke an M5, your ideal car is one that has had no expense spared in its upkeep/serviceing etc.  A car that has had an LPG conversion may well have had every penny required spent on it... but it does look like the owner is trying to cut costs.

You can see that lots of people don't like LPG.  While that doesn't matter in the slightest, in terms of what you should do to your car.  It's the same peopel who are your market for when you come to sell.  Value will be affected accordingly.

 

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Originally posted by Dannyboy Dannyboy wrote:

From a financial point of view, if you can't afford to put the petrol in it what
will you do when something breaks? I here they're not cheap to fix.


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Also you will need a completely independant fuel delevery system that is going to be ching ching to fit, unless your doing 50k miles a year its not going to be worth it, you can do the cheepo 'A Grand job' on Carb cars and older Injection systems Ke Jetronic Montronic ect but an M5? Think about it, 8 new gas frendly injectors, new brain, mapping and instillation and you only get a vat rebate on it if its less than 6 months old(If that even still applies)

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From a financial point of view, if you can't afford to put the petrol in it what
will you do when something breaks? I here they're not cheap to fix.
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Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

Seems to me .... on balance that the general opinion is that technically and performance wise there is no reason NOT to do a conversion.

But .... for whatever reason - which no one has been able to quantify, there appears to be a prejudice against LPG.

Maybe it's just not 'cool'.

Probably wont stop me though...

I think you probably got that dead right.

However, I don't think I would worry about the prejudice too much if I was happy that I had made the right decision.

Perhaps, from my point of view, the biggest issue would be the whole cost/saving of the exercise with the biggest unknown being what somebody would give for the car when it comes time to move on.

Would the car be saleable and how much below a standard car would it be worth. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe, with fuel prices going the way they are, you would have people queueing up to buy it.

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OK - an M car is meant to be the epitome of each BMW range.

M stands for Motorsport - BMW design and build 'special' M cars which are meant to to be the best in that series.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they haven't - yet? - produced an LPG M car?

So, if you buy an M car then it is meant to be the best petrol car that BMW have created in that range - so we buy it.

If you buy any M car it is "assumed" that you can afford to run it in the form that BMW designed it.

In the currect climate I can understand why that is a problem, my E30 M3 is a daily drive and 100 miles per day is really silly I know, but convert it? Never!

If you want an M car, then leave it alone, if - unfortunately - it is impossible to afford, then change it.

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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by bmw1066 bmw1066 wrote:

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I'm glad you put the  otherwise I might think you meant it!

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 Whats the first thing I'm going to do to my M car ahh yes

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'The Pits'

You haven't told me WHY you feel so strongly about not doing it to an 'M' car??????

Why not?

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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

Seems to me .... on balance that the general opinion is that technically and performance wise there is no reason NOT to do a conversion.
.....on cars in general

Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

But .... for whatever reason - which no one has been able to quantify, there appears to be a prejudice against LPG. Maybe it's just not 'cool'.
I don't think there is a prejudice per say - just on an M car

Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

Probably wont stop me though...
Oh please let it

Sell it / declare it SORN & buy a diesel, but don't LPG an M

 

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Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

Seems to me .... on balance that the general opinion is that technically and performance wise there is no reason NOT to do a conversion.
.....on cars in general

Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

But .... for whatever reason - which no one has been able to quantify, there appears to be a prejudice against LPG. Maybe it's just not 'cool'.
I don't think there is a prejudice per say - just on an M car

Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

Probably wont stop me though...
Oh please let it

Sell it / declare it SORN & buy a diesel, but don't LPG an M



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Seems to me .... on balance that the general opinion is that technically and performance wise there is no reason NOT to do a conversion.

But .... for whatever reason - which no one has been able to quantify, there appears to be a prejudice against LPG.

Maybe it's just not 'cool'.

Probably wont stop me though...
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Originally posted by bmw1066 bmw1066 wrote:

No is the simple answer.
No you won't have a problem doing it - but NO Don't do it

Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

But I have to agree with previous posters, buy something else. (driving an m5 and can't afford the petrol....blablabla)
Exactly!


 

I can't afford the petrol for my E36 325i, but I'm not going to convert that - and certainly not my E30 M3

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Originally posted by hopalong hopalong wrote:

I'm certainly not worried about my reputation - bit old for that!

Just want to make sure that I wouldn't end up with a car that had been compromised due to the LPG installation, or that would suffer mechanically as a result of the conversion ....

BTW thanks for all the comments / opinions so far...

No is the simpol anser. You are A OK to run on LPG. I have driven some very poor LPG fitted car's but some thet you just coud not tell the diffrence, witch was a v6 s type, P38 RR 4.6 and a L322 RR with the 4.4 BMW V8 all were very very good

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