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    Posted: 26-February-2008 at 12:25

First of all apologies for the americanism in the title.

I have a couple of questions that I would be interested in fellow forum member's opinion on:

I have a Sapphire Black E46 that I like to keep as well looking as possible! It is waxed and washed regularly using Meguiar's products. My first issue concerns "beading"; my car beads extremely well, to the point where all the air-borne dust and dirt gets trapped in the water-bubbles and the car looks terrible when the water dries.

Example: Sunday; fine morning, washed and dried the car. Mid-day - one small shower; car remains wet (on account of beading) sitting still the rest of the day. Monday morning; looks dirty.

All my neighbour's cars appear to have not a smidgen of wax on them and water clearly doesn't bead but their cars, even without having been washed on Sunday, look better on Monday!

Are there any good car-care products designed not to create beading?

I bought a Meguiar's Clay Bar kit and intend to finish using the Meguiar's 3-step (cleaning/polishing/waxing) procedure, any experience with either?

What's the best product you've used to beautify your cars?

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Not sure if there's a wax that won't make the water bead. Maybe a sealant
would be better?

I use the Meguiars 3 step all the time and get excellent results. The clay kit
is good too. Buy an extra bottle of the quick detailer spray and use loads of
it when doing the car. Allow plenty of time for steps 1 and 2, and plenty of
effort but it's worth it.
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All waxes create beading your neighbours cars look clean becasue the dirt is spread out over their cars. Your car will look alot better when the sun shines and on wet day when on the road the water and dirt will be beading of the car. If you don't use your car much but would like it to look clean when you do use it get a car cover
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I've used AutoGlym for years and would highly recommend the "extra gloss protection". I've found it minimises beading and totally eliminates swirling if used as per instructions. Also recently discovered Tesco own brand tyre spray and i have to say it's the best spray tyre dresser i've ever used. Lasts for a good while.
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I am looking forward to trying the clay bar and 3 Step; all I need is a long, dry Saturday or Sunday without direct sunlight!

I do use my car on an almost daily basis but used to travel for extended periods during the summer; seriously considered getting a cover but was discouraged by friends warning that it would increase the likelyhood of vandalism (I don't understand the logic myself but haven't bought the cover, nonetheless).

I do actually use the Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection. It has to sit on the car until completely dry and I am always dreading a sudden light shower during this part of proceedings.

Thanks for the tip on Tesco tyrespray. I have until recently stayed clear of tyreshine, prefering my tyres au naturel, but my Michelins have a boring tendency to turn a very tedious brownish colour. I now use Autglym tyreshine which looks great but doesn't last long - will try Tesco's.

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Don't waste your money on a detail spray for using with a clay bar.

Clay bars require the surface of the car to be lubricated which is what the detail spray does.

Before you clay the car you wash it anyway.  What I do is wash the panel as per usual instructions on here regarding two bucket method etc etc.  Once I know the panel is clean I then soap the panel again with my wash mit and then get the clay onto the panel.  The suds from a decent car shampoo like the Megs orange stuff is more than adequate for lubrication for claying a car.

On a hot day you would use a whole bottle of detailing spray on a 5 series.  What I have heard of people doing is mixing water and a car shampoo in a spray mist bottle which you can buy from B&Q for watering plants etc and using that with a clay bar.

Saves the pennies for use on better polish etc.

Megs 3 step stuff is way better than Autoglym super resin followed by Autoglym Extra gloss.  Takes much longer to do of course but you don't need to apply stage 1 every time.  The shine is deeper and almost more wet looking.

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Thanks Andrew, good tips.
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Originally posted by larzyh larzyh wrote:

Thanks Andrew, good tips.

Nae bother, hope it works, let us know how you get on.

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I will, Andrew, but I am still waiting for some dry weather here in Ireland; looks like we're in for quite a wait!

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Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

Megs 3 step stuff is way better than Autoglym super resin followed by Autoglym Extra gloss.  Takes much longer to do of course but you don't need to apply stage 1 every time.  The shine is deeper and almost more wet looking.

 

Totally agree.... I used to use Autoglym resin and Extra Gloss, but have recently changed to Meg's ( 3 step ), which I think is infinately better and creates no dustly/chalky residue, which was the worst thing about Autoglym IMO, although Autoglym probably provides protection for longer.


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Had a nice long, windy, cold but dry day yesterday so I washed, clayed and three-step'ed the car using Meguair's. Spent 7 hours and had had enough before the lower sills and wheels were done! Read Clarkson in the Sunday Times; made me laugh; I don't agree with much he says but he is an excellent writer!

With Jeremy's article ringing in my ears I went out this St. Patrick's morning and finished the job.

Claying takes a bit of a leap of faith but it certainly lifts "stuff" off the surface, mostly tar in my case, I think (the one thing you notice less on a black car, compared with my previous silvers).

The three step absolutely brilliant but since it requires application/removal of product three times, it is time consuming and tiring. Motivation is found in the result it produces.

Swirl-marks are all but gone and this after my local dealership "washed" my car after working on it - I was not impressed; they have this fancy set-up for washing cars and then they finish the job by drying it with that green workshop paper towel that I wouldn't even like to use as toilet paper; you could trace every stroke of drying in the scratches it had left!!!

In the two years I've had the car it has never looked better; it positively sparkles and the reflection from the metallic aspect of the Sapphire Black has never been more apparent. There is also much more of what is often described as "wet look" with the paint looking cleansed and moisturised.

I would thouroghly recommend these product to anyone with the care and dedication required.

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Yip I spent 10 hours claying and polishing the E39.  But that was using the Autoglym polishes not Megs.  It is worth the hard work but the really satisfying bit is the feel of the car after you have clayed it.  It feels really smooth.  If you clay half a panel and run your finger over the panel you can feel the difference, it is like night and day.

I clayed the dealers 520d MSport on Sunday to remove some tar spots.  It is silver and the tar spots are really obvious but they appeared after driving 600 miles to Derby and back from Bridge of Weir on Saturday.  Glad that mileage went on someone elses car .

The tar came off with the clay quite quickly but it made a real mess of the clay bar.  Probably better removing the majority of tar with tar remover, Autoglym stuff is quite good, but unleaded petrol is just as effective provided that you are careful with it (for obvious reasons) and it is a good bit cheaper than Tar remover that's for sure.

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Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

I clayed the dealers 520d MSport on Sunday to remove some tar spots.  It is silver and the tar spots are really obvious but they appeared after driving 600 miles to Derby and back from Bridge of Weir on Saturday.  Glad that mileage went on someone elses car .


LOL you are way too keen, if it were me driving a rented/courtesy car I wouldn't even bother washing it let alone clay it
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