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Posted: 07-September-2008 at 21:18 |
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ANYWAY hi shytalk, welcome to the forum, before you go spending shti loads on yr new engine and plastic surgery for yr fingers, sounds like you have an air lock, if you check the botton hose you will find its stone cold, check the 5 series forum i think andrew rolland posted a way of bleeding these, its very time consuming but cheaper than gaskets ect. there is a small hose at the back of the engine that leaks so over a period of time (unless you fix it ) you will be back to overheating, when bleeding make sure ignition is on fan speed set to one and heat on max .good luck let us know how you get on hth
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We have been - well not Fool Jam.......let's be honest, that's the kind of
advice that does nobody any favours. 15 years of working on BMW's versus a mouthy interet hero - no contest if you really need help. To re-iterate - does the heater blow hot/warm air? If it does you don't have an airlock. If it doesn't, you do. If you have a massive airlock, you need to bleed the system out properly. It could be something as simple as a bad seal on the base of the expansion bottle where it fits into the side of the radiator. It's a long shot, but possible. Shytalk - PM me if you want. |
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Anyway back to the plot.....
can anyone help our newbie 'shytalk' with his problem? |
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Whilst the video shows that it IS possible to check the fan with ones fingers, I personally would use the rolled-up newspaper method as being the most sensible, and a lot safer. It's a lot easier to get a new newspaper |
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proves nothing, Cold engine easey, hot engine means smashed fingers, now ask me how I know o is it because i smashed mine even the reply on the vid says the same thing
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Anyway, let me post again and prove again what has been said is wrong
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Yes come on, the guy wants help not a slagging match! |
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fooljam - be nice!
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Good luck with you 323i,
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I have been working on Car's BM's for enough time now to know who to believe. BMW1 is right, now showing this to a friend of mine that has worked for a BMW dealer, now head tec for 25 years could not stop himself from laffing, nor could I for that, and I have a good 5 years now my local is £125 ish an hour now lets say 5 hours + the vat It's very hard to give advice on forums as everybody thinks they're right, but being a car mechanic gives some of us a good start,
As for stopping the rad fan on a hot engine you would have to be mad to do that, fan spinning at a 1000 rpm
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Yes is has - the steel liner engine has issues with the alloy sinking between the liners and causing head gasket failure.... The BMW mechanics advice about stripping block threads is unfortunately valid. It's happened to me on a 523i. Once the threads have gone, the block is scrap and no, Helicoils will not work because they will just pull straight out on the final tighten. And it is spelt 'Nikasil'.
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The nickasil issue has nothing to do with overheating... |
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Guys, seriously I do not mean disrespect or anything but you should be reading some BMW mechanical guides.
To the OP: Get a new mechanic. Blowing a head gasket is very cheap to fix. The BMW dealership will bill you 50 euro to fix it. Yes 50 fraging euro to fix a heasd gasket at BMW dealership!!. Then 2-3 hours to actually work on the engine. A blown head gasket will not blow your engine. Do the test to make sure if the head gasket is fine or not. Now YES you should be able to stop the radiator fan with your hands! Now our cars have a weak cooling system. A complete overhaul is recommended before it hits 100k KM. Which includes Water Pump, Thermostat and Radiator. Any BMW dealership would confirm you this. Good luck with the fix <edited to make it relevent to thread> Edited by thepits |
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A car that overheats after 1 mile of driving has nothing to do with the
viscous coupling!! As he has said, it will sit and idle all day and not overheat. This sounds like either a head gasket or a cracked head. Sometimes (well, a lot of the time...) the threads will pull when the head bolt are given the final angle tighten. Using the correct BMW bolts helps prevent this Does it have the original Nikasil engine, or a replacement steel liner block? The way to tell is to look at the back of the block (inlet manifold side) with a torch - you are looking just above the starter motor. If you can see a pear shaped casting lug in the alloy block, it's Nikasil. If you can see a small steel plate with a bolt, it's had the replacement steel liner block fitted. These frankly are crap and more trouble than the Nikasil blocks! Once it's been cooked, the alloy between the steel liners sinks and the block is well and truly scrap. Does the heater blow hot air? If it doesn't, you have a massive air lock - so proceed as follows.... There is only one way to fill an M50/M52 cooling system and that is via the top hose. disconnect it from the radiator, slacken the engine end hose clip and turn the hose so it's pointing upwards. Slowly fill with coolant until you just see it at the base of the hose. Put an old towel under the hose to catch ant coolant, remove the hose and fit it to the radiator, again with the hose pointing upwards. Add coolant slowly until it appears in the bottom of the hose. The engine and radiator are now full. REfit the hose, set the heater to hot and give it a blast up the road. The key is a heater that blows out hot air - if it doesn't, you may well have a faulty heater valve. As for replacement engines, be aware that an older iron block single Vanos 325i or E34 525i engine will fit. Same capacity, cylinder head etc but a lot cheaper and more durable. Just transfer the 323i engine loom and manifolds across. |
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The hand test is a bad time to find that the coupling ISN'T actually knackered! |
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The fan coupling is obviously knackered so replace that first before worrying about the head gasket. BTW I would not recoment using your hand again. Theres a good reason why people use a rolled up news paper... |
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Thanks for getting back to me guys...nice car Sporty1...With regards to the fan, i can stop it with my hand with little or no resistance when the car is running...I'm told that it should be harder to stop the hotter the car gets. But yeah, Block Test is my next step. I hope it's not the head gasket...if it is then it's the strangest case i've ever seen of one going as the car is incredibly well behaved despite this problem. May I say what a breath of fresh air it is to finally find a decent BMW forum...I accidentally joined an American forum last week. What a disaster that was...all they were interested in was talking about making 4 door 316s look like bad M3 replicas and slating the English. So i'm glad i've found a genuine BMW forum for geniuine BMW enthusiasts. Thanks again guys
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Hi There I am having trouble with my 323ci using alot of water but its not overheating.......yet! I have been onto Davie at BM Motors today and he has suggested that before we look at anything else I should try this stuff....... Not sure if this would help you but it might be worth a look. Hope you get it sorted soon. Issy PS welcome to the forum |
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